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Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Pandora » Wed 12 Dec 2012 20:16

They now trial Chemo/Rituximab in most of the syndromes. Its is the WRONG treatment and IMO will kill 50% with Lyme Stupid.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Rituxim ... =firefox-a

We must get our foot in the door for the rights of the people just as HIV AIDS pts. had to fight for their rights to treatment so shall we in the right treatment not what is most profitable. We need treatment that will not kill us herxing us to death as chemo does many and then our own stem cells to give us back our lives.

http://www.stemcelltreatment.org/

NOT CHEMO COSTING THOUSANDS that will do NOTHING to turn on immune systems genetically altered organisms have destroyed.
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Camp Other » Wed 12 Dec 2012 23:13

Pandora wrote:They now trial Chemo/Rituximab in most of the syndromes. Its is the WRONG treatment and IMO will kill 50% with Lyme Stupid.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Rituxim ... =firefox-a


What evidence do you have rituximab will kill 50% of patients with Lyme or chronic Lyme disease?

I have some studies on my site on the use of filgrastim for treating patients with persisting symptoms after the initial treatment of Lyme disease, and the case studies were met with success.

No doubt, these drugs can have serious side effects. But if used for shorter time in patients who do not have cancer, the effects have been minimal.

So what's the evidence? And why specifically 50%?

Pandora wrote:We must get our foot in the door for the rights of the people just as HIV AIDS pts. had to fight for their rights to treatment so shall we in the right treatment not what is most profitable. We need treatment that will not kill us herxing us to death as chemo does many and then our own stem cells to give us back our lives.
http://www.stemcelltreatment.org/


What is the right treatment? Is there one right treatment for everyone? All along, the answer has been no - coming from both patients and doctors. If there was one right treatment, I'd be very happy to hear about it.

I've read that a number of LLMDs say they do not have a 100% success rate with long term antibiotics. They help a lot of people, if self-reporting is anything to go by. And they helped me. So I know they help. For those they do not help - or those who develop allergies or cannot handle the side effects of antibiotics - they end up turning to herbs and other alternative treatment. Sometimes those help; sometimes they don't.

For those who take long term antibiotics, I'm certain they wish they were cured quickly and could get back to their lives sooner. I sure as hell would. So whatever treatment would work the best, in my opinion, would be one that gives back my quality of life sooner so working and living are possible.

I've heard mixed reviews on the stem cell treatment. I know Amy Scher has said it has given her her life back. But I have also read that others have not have had the same positive response she did and only experienced partial improvement. For $40,000 a visit, I would not want "partial improvement". I already got that from antibiotic treatment.

Sorry if I sound jaded, but I've been dealing with these symptoms for several years and have seen a lot come and go in terms of treatment ideas.

Pandora wrote:NOT CHEMO COSTING THOUSANDS that will do NOTHING to turn on immune systems genetically altered organisms have destroyed.


I think this is the main point of your post, the concern that chemotherapeutic drugs will do nothing to turn on immune systems which genetically altered organisms have destroyed. And there, you've lost me. Can you explain how genetically altered organisms have destroyed immune systems?
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Pandora » Thu 13 Dec 2012 6:02

All you have to do is see how many die from their chemo already - to est. how many will die from their syndromes. Autism, Alzheimers, MS, ALS, Lupus, Parkinsons, CFS, ME, GWS, Celiac, Diabetes, Arthritis, Chrones, Kawasaki's, etc. etc. etc. etc....

As a sexually transmitted disease GOVT. can force you to treat with clinically accepted treatment and SEND THE BILL TO UNCLE....Just like they now do for Syphilis. Do you think the drug co.s want to offer us antibiotics and our own stem cells or Chemo costing est. 14,000 each round? And will not cure?

Including all the babies being born with it, who right now at the rate of 1 in 29 in US will suffer in failures to treat the whole pt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSnxCr7 ... ture=share

We know that the cancers and the syndromes are caused by the infections in the real AIDS we have been blessed with. And NOT ONE HIV pt. has been cured with chemo.

But we do have at least 3 well documented cases of AIDS cured with antibiotics and then their own stem cells. And thousands of cases treated by LLMD's who can prove improvement. Even in those who haven't got a dime.

Prof. Barthold told US that the prion protein spirochetes carry cannot be killed by any means known to man.
They know this because they gave them to us in vaccines.

That leaves the people ONE option to treat. Kill the infections and then raise the gates of the immune system that giving us genetically altered organisms have destroyed. CHEMO cannot possible do that.

In order to prevent fetal transmissions and stop the pandemic CHEMO will not work.

http://www.pri.org/stories/health/globa ... 12305.html

Prospective Detection of Respiratory Pathogens in Symptomatic Children with Cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23190778

Induction of Brain Microvascular Endothelial Cell Urokinase Expression by Cryptococcus neoformans Facilitates Blood-Brain Barrier Invasion
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3493525/
Pathogens can alternatively use host PA for plasminogen-to-plasmin activation on their cell surface.

Apparently, detection of new associations between infectious agents

and risk of the development of cancer

will facilitate progress in elaboration of prophylaxis measures,

early diagnostic methods and,

probably, methods of treatment of malignant tumors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23163048

http://lookingatlyme.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... gnier.html
Politicians will also have to become aware

they have to think towards ***the long term.***

This new approach to medicine ***may cost money***

***(prevention, specialised units, etc)***

but in the long term it will ***bring in money,***

it will ***slash spending***

as we won't be faced with the ***ever-growing costs***

of people with Alzheimer's disease being cared for in homes,

of cancer treatment, AIDS treatment,

both involving long-term chemotherapy.
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Why did the worlds leading expert of PRION/AIDS/LYME say this?
Because we have NON HIV AIDS caused by spirochetes that share their genes with whatever they need to survive in the neurons to hide.....
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Camp Other » Thu 13 Dec 2012 7:17

Pandora wrote:All you have to do is see how many die from their chemo already - to est. how many will die from their syndromes. Autism, Alzheimers, MS, ALS, Lupus, Parkinsons, CFS, ME, GWS, Celiac, Diabetes, Arthritis, Chrones, Kawasaki's, etc. etc. etc. etc....


I fail to see the association between people who die from chemotherapy to how many die from these various conditions. I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing it - perhaps you can rephrase or explain your reasoning in greater detail?

People without these conditions develop cancer and receive chemotherapy and may die from either the cancer or the chemotherapy side effects/complications or both. Same goes for people with these conditions who develop cancer. Cancer chemotherapy drugs are rough on the body, and the complications such as secondary infections can kill, too.

I don't see the point you are trying to make here. Try again?

(Minor aside, I realize most people don't use it this way, but antibiotics = chemotherapy - I think you mean chemotherapy here in terms of cancer chemotherapy only, so I'll read it that way)

Pandora wrote:As a sexually transmitted disease GOVT. can force you to treat with clinically accepted treatment and SEND THE BILL TO UNCLE....Just like they now do for Syphilis. Do you think the drug co.s want to offer us antibiotics and our own stem cells or Chemo costing est. 14,000 each round? And will not cure?


Not following again, I'm afraid.

What I'm reading out of the above is that the gov't is forcing you (you =doctors?) to treat syphilis with clinically accepted treatment. Which last I checked are antibiotics, namely penicillin. Which is an antibiotic.

What this has to do with drug companies not giving us antibiotics and stem cells vs. chemo at $14 k each round, I don't know...

Are you suggesting the gov't is avoiding treating syphilis as intensively as they should and therefore, it gets to late stage and is more likely to trigger other conditions? Is your hypothesis that syphilis causes cancer? Or is it that you think the drug companies will support using chemo for patients with late stage syphilis and argue late stage patients have an immune disorder that chemo can treat rather than have them use antibiotics for an infection?

If the above is what you're suggesting, I don't know how feasible it is. Who would pay for this treatment?

As it is, people are dying from cancer because they can't all afford treatment and have no insurance - even where chemotherapy's primary and first customer IS the cancer patient. I often want to ask not just how much money is made from chemo drugs... but how much is lost due to patients who could use them but won't be able to.

And stem cell therapy... I'm sorry, it is pretty expensive so far. It is not cheap, even if it's less expensive in the long run than some chemotherapy. $40,000 for Amy Scher for just one visit to India - if her price point was to be believed, and not everyone who has followed in her footsteps received her results... It's not even clear what entirely did help with her results, because she also had a lot of IV Ceftriaxone prior to her Indian adventure.

If the country is moving to health care exchanges and a more socialized way of looking at medicine, then the overall effect will be one of wanting to reduce costs. Raising profits may still be part of the model, but not as much as reducing costs - at least that's what I'm predicting, especially as insurance companies become more regulated.

(Sorry Europeans reading along - realize that the American Affordable Care Act has no bearing on your realities, where each of your countries have their own varied ways of managing health care for citizens.)

Pandora wrote:Including all the babies being born with it, who right now at the rate of 1 in 29 in US will suffer in failures to treat the whole pt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSnxCr7 ... ture=share


What's "it"? Syphilis? Rather than have me play a video I'm having trouble playing on my computer at the moment, can you explain what you mean?

Pandora wrote:We know that the cancers and the syndromes are caused by the infections in the real AIDS we have been blessed with. And NOT ONE HIV pt. has been cured with chemo. But we do have at least 3 well documented cases of AIDS cured with antibiotics and then their own stem cells.


We know this, for sure? Who is "we"?

There is evidence that viruses trigger cancers of some types and bacterial infections may predispose people to some cancers. Also, there is evidence that one's genetic background plays a role in a tendency for a virus or bacteria to trigger an autoimmune disorder. This much is true.

HIV patients haven't been cured except a precious few who undertook risky procedures. I hadn't heard about AIDS cured with antibiotics and stem cells - please point it out to me.

Pandora wrote: And thousands of cases treated by LLMD's who can prove improvement. Even in those who haven't got a dime.


I know what a lot of patients say. But what is needed is a third party independent research group to follow patients like me and others and confirm that yes, antibiotics helped these patients improve by doing x antibiotics for y period of time. So far, no one has that proof. All anyone has is our word over theirs. That's the bottom line with science - they don't care much for patient's self reporting of improvement unless it can be tracked and objectively and quantitatively measured somehow.

This is part of the reason why we as patients are stuck, Pandora. Science keeps pointing to the clinical trials for long term antibiotics which have been completed and they are not showing as high a positive return compared to what patients outside those trials claim.

Pandora wrote:Prof. Barthold told US that the prion protein spirochetes carry cannot be killed by any means known to man.
They know this because they gave them to us in vaccines.


He did say this? Whoa. Where? I'd really like to see where, if you can share that with me.

Pandora wrote:That leaves the people ONE option to treat. Kill the infections and then raise the gates of the immune system that giving us genetically altered organisms have destroyed. CHEMO cannot possible do that.


Antibiotics are not the only tool in the toolbox we can use, though, nor should it be... wouldn't you agree?

What if part of the problem is that the spirochetes are persister cells, Pandora? We would need to develop new drugs for that purpose, and it would be better if we did because it would mean taking antibiotics for a shorter period of time.

What if part of the problem is that some of us have immune systems that cannot clear the infection after initial treatment? Maybe it's not just persistent infection but also a flaw in our immune systems which needs addressing. Then for those of us with this problem, shouldn't there be a way to identify us and give us an immune modulating drug that helps? Heck, it can be an immune modulating drug that's not a cancer chemotherapy drug - something like low dose naltrexone modulates the immune system.

I'm just suggesting you consider looking at this issue from different angles, that's all.

Pandora wrote:In order to prevent fetal transmissions and stop the pandemic CHEMO will not work.


To prevent fetal transmission of Borrelia, of course taking antibiotics is the answer. That protects mother too. No question there.

Pandora wrote:http://www.pri.org/stories/health/globa ... 12305.html

Prospective Detection of Respiratory Pathogens in Symptomatic Children with Cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23190778

Induction of Brain Microvascular Endothelial Cell Urokinase Expression by Cryptococcus neoformans Facilitates Blood-Brain Barrier Invasion
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3493525/
Pathogens can alternatively use host PA for plasminogen-to-plasmin activation on their cell surface.

Apparently, detection of new associations between infectious agents

and risk of the development of cancer

will facilitate progress in elaboration of prophylaxis measures,

early diagnostic methods and,

probably, methods of treatment of malignant tumors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23163048

http://lookingatlyme.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... gnier.html
Politicians will also have to become aware

they have to think towards ***the long term.***

This new approach to medicine ***may cost money***

***(prevention, specialised units, etc)***

but in the long term it will ***bring in money,***

it will ***slash spending***

as we won't be faced with the ***ever-growing costs***

of people with Alzheimer's disease being cared for in homes,

of cancer treatment, AIDS treatment,

both involving long-term chemotherapy.


Well, I agree that effectively treating infections is great. It's the best course of action we can take to prevent complications that can stem from infection - including triggering the cascade of events that lead one more likely to develop cancer or an autoimmune disease.

I just caution you that this job is not an easy as you seem to make it out to be, and I think that to some degree people's genetic backgrounds and immune systems pre-infection factor in to how well patients respond to antibiotic treatment. Also, the point in time in which the infection is detected and treatment is begun are factors.

Your suggestion is going to get more difficult, though, as we have increasing worldwide antibiotic resistance, and there is a strong move towards antibiotic stewardship over our antibiotic supply. People are dying from MRSA, VRE, and other rapidly moving infections. These infections are likely to get antibiotic treatment and development first and foremost -and unfortunately, I suspect those of us with chronic diseases which may be antibiotic-responsive (however those antibiotics help) will be less likely to attain them unless we can provide the evidence to third parties which I stated above.

Pandora wrote:-------------------------------------------
Why did the worlds leading expert of PRION/AIDS/LYME say this?
Because we have NON HIV AIDS caused by spirochetes that share their genes with whatever they need to survive in the neurons to hide.....


Who said what? Please explain. I am sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about. Hope you are patient and can try to explain the above to me. Thank you.
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Pandora » Sun 16 Dec 2012 2:45

There is NO such thing as Antibiotic Resistance. Just as there is NO such thing as AUTOimmune. There is only infections in the real AIDS immune suppression using contaminated cells lines for over 35yrs. has caused. HeLa cells came from a woman who had Syphilis. Prof. Barthold testimony before Congress told them that the proteins spirochetes possess cannot be killed. That makes them Prion, for now called Prion LIKE....LOL IMO it matters not what they want to call it. It is all the same MCID/multiple chronic infectious disease.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSnxCr7 ... ture=share
Many people do not know Prof. M has been in China the last few yrs. working at a research facility named in his honor to find the cause of the syndromes. He has found it est. at 80% of the pop.s infected.

http://oversight.house.gov/hearing/1-in ... of-autism/
The CDC states 1 in 88 children have Autism, yet we know they are being born with it. Vaccines add to the prion like proteins borrelia possess. In fact previous protein studies have shown NO resistance with est. of 40% of their genes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpZbPeu ... playnext=1
Classic Borrelia hand symptoms with gut pain and neurological inability to speak.

When they treat the multiple infections without HERXING them to death they get much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Ono_2m_8LY
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Camp Other » Sun 16 Dec 2012 22:11

Pandora wrote:There is NO such thing as Antibiotic Resistance..


No such thing as antibiotic resistance? I'm sorry, I don't understand. How can there be no such thing as antibiotic resistance?

(I'll start with this and discuss autoimmunity separately.)

An RND-Type Efflux System in Borrelia burgdorferi Is Involved in Virulence and Resistance to Antimicrobial Compounds:
http://www.plospathogens.org/article/in ... at.1000009

Erythromycin Resistance in Borrelia burgdorferi:
http://aac.asm.org/content/46/11/3637.short

Mutations Conferring Aminoglycoside and Spectinomycin Resistance in Borrelia burgdorferi:
http://aac.asm.org/content/50/2/445.short

Borrelia burgdorferi Resistance to a Major Skin Antimicrobial Peptide Is Independent of Outer Surface Lipoprotein Content:
http://aac.asm.org/content/53/10/4490.full

These are just a few papers. While antibiotic resistance is rare in B. burgdorferi, it has happened, and it could happen in the future.

One of my concerns about taking lots of antibiotics is not that B. burgdorferi would become antibiotic resistant - but ALL THE OTHER bacteria which is resident to your body - particularly if you have a weakened immune system or a condition like diabetes.

Bacteria which is normally a skin-surface bacteria that's not harming you can become opportunistic. This is why some patients complain about MARCONS - multi antibiotic resistant coagulase negative staph. You have to be careful about how you use antibiotics long term - this is one of the risks of treatment.
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Camp Other » Sun 16 Dec 2012 22:27

Pandora wrote:Prof. Barthold testimony before Congress told them that the proteins spirochetes possess cannot be killed. That makes them Prion, for now called Prion LIKE....LOL IMO it matters not what they want to call it.


Dr. Barthold said this? Where?

Here's his entire prepared statement he made during the congressional hearing:
http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/112/HHR ... 120717.pdf

A search for "protein" in that document led to a citation at the end of the paper mentioning outer surface proteins, and no mention anywhere I could see stating that "the proteins spirochetes possess cannot be killed".

There is plenty in the paper about spirochetes' ability to survive antibiotic treatment in animal models. But I see nothing mentioned about these proteins that cannot be killed. This seems like it would be something important to know, so if I missed it somehow - please point out where he said the above.

Edited to add:

While Dr. Barthold does not state that spirochetes are antibiotic resistant in the animal studies he has completed, he does state the hypothesis that spirochetes could be antibiotic tolerant, which is a different thing. But this is still not the same as saying the proteins spirochetes possess cannot be killed.

Research has been completed on persisters which were antibiotic tolerant and those persisters were killed after the scientists found a way to "wake them up". They weren't B. burgdorferi spirochetes - they were different bacteria entirely - but it does provide evidence that a method of killing persisters or antibiotic tolerant bacteria can be designed.
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby LHCTom » Mon 17 Dec 2012 1:27

My understanding of the use of Rituximab is that there is a theory in the CFS/ME world that B cells become defective. B cells are responsible for creating antibodies = proteins. When B cells "go wrong" and begin creating "junk" antibodies/proteins, it causes something akin to an autoimmune and cytokine/chemo-kine storm constantly. This causes widespread inflammation including in the nervous system and brain. Its speculated a virus like EBV/HHV-6 or bacteria like Lyme spirochetes invade the B Cell causing the problem. Rituximab seeks out and kills B cells. Then the body regenerates new B cells that are not dysfunctional or corrupt. In one study in Norway had good results on CFS patients.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0026358

Benefit from B-Lymphocyte Depletion Using the Anti-CD20 Antibody Rituximab in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. A Double-Blind and Placebo-Controlled Study

Since the Lyme spirochete invades B cells and appears to corrupt them, its possible this is one mechanism at play in Chronic Lyme Disease besides the ongoing infection.

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/2 ... 2.full.pdf
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Bagge » Mon 17 Dec 2012 1:35

Pandora wrote:There is NO such thing as Antibiotic Resistance. Just as there is NO such thing as AUTOimmune. There is only infections in the real AIDS immune suppression using contaminated cells lines for over 35yrs. has caused. HeLa cells came from a woman who had Syphilis. Prof. Barthold testimony before Congress told them that the proteins spirochetes possess cannot be killed. That makes them Prion, for now called Prion LIKE....LOL IMO it matters not what they want to call it. It is all the same MCID/multiple chronic infectious disease.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSnxCr7 ... ture=share
Many people do not know Prof. M has been in China the last few yrs. working at a research facility named in his honor to find the cause of the syndromes. He has found it est. at 80% of the pop.s infected.

http://oversight.house.gov/hearing/1-in ... of-autism/
The CDC states 1 in 88 children have Autism, yet we know they are being born with it. Vaccines add to the prion like proteins borrelia possess. In fact previous protein studies have shown NO resistance with est. of 40% of their genes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpZbPeu ... playnext=1
Classic Borrelia hand symptoms with gut pain and neurological inability to speak.

When they treat the multiple infections without HERXING them to death they get much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Ono_2m_8LY



Where exactly is the citation stating that MCID is "all the same" as "the real AIDS" and that there is "no such thing as antibiotic resistance or autoimmune" disease?
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Re: Crashing the Rituximab train!

Postby Pandora » Sun 23 Dec 2012 19:43

HIVgp120 appears to be Lyme in triplicate most likely soon to be quadruplicate.

http://www.polygenicpathways.co.uk/BLASTS.htm
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1988, Distinction between HIV-1 and HIV-2 infection using novel synthetic lipopeptide conjugates as antigens in enzyme immunoassays.

“A novel immunoassay technique using synthetic lipopeptide (Pam3Cys-Ser) linked to immunodominant peptide domains of HIV-1 and HIV-2 envelope proteins as an antigen adsorbent has been developed. Attachment of peptides to microtiter plates can be considerably improved with this method by employing the hydrophobic properties of lipopeptide. From the sera of 121 HIV-1 infected patients 117 reacted with Pam3Cys-Ser-[HIV-1(598-609)cyclic disulfide]. Five of 5 HIV-2 positive sera were positive with Pam3Cys-Ser-[HIV-2(593-603)cyclic disulfide]. Control sera failed to react with these conjugates.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2464607

They created what they like to call PRION when using Ecoli with HeLa cells for HepB vaccines and many others. Because HeLa had Syphilis....

They KNEW in 1996, and before that in 1985 that it would fold into the gene columns to hide their death wares and perpetuate any and all infections into the masses they intended to destroy.
http://newjournal.kcsnet.or.kr/main/j_s ... s&dpage=ar

Conventional analytical procedures (e.g., Edman degradation and amino acid analysis)

are either not applicable due to the N-terminal modification,

or do not provide confirmation of the intact structure.

Chromatographic analysis is also hindered by the tendency of these lipoidal Pam3Cys peptides

to form large aggregates,

and in some cases to be permanently adsorbed on reversed phase columns.
-------------------------------
THAT is how we got Morgellons in the masses who suffer their syn dromes, psych disease, and yes cancers.
Infections that share their genes in prion/viral/fungal synergy stripped of their genetic stops by criminals infecting us all with genetically altered organisms in vaccines.
http://www.morgellons-research.org/morg ... oscop3.htm
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