The Ballad of sci.med

[minitails2]

People, what is flaming. I live, and always have lived, near San Francisco and, well it has another meaning.

Actually, I saw some of all that, I like to check them out sometimes, not everything is terrible. Actually, Cavie, it wasn't Cowabunga who flamed? you. HMMM Not nice. Anybody want to step up?

[LymeEnigma]

I'm a flamer. Its true. Sob.

Or, at least Sci.med says so.

I was really bored at work last friday. I made a sarcastic comment in LE's forum that we should go over to Sci.med.lyme and create mayhem. You guys know me well enough by now to know I'm up to say about anything. But that I'm overall pretty harmless even IF I'm a goof.

So, I go over and read some posts. Not just breeze through the cussing like I have been doing for a year. I was skeptical that more than just mayhem could actually be accomplished.

I decide to try to strike up a conversation with 3rdman, cause he was talking to someone else like an actual sane human being. Which surprised me, because of, you know, where I was! He was angry because he's been here and saw our 'battle' thread, and saw that Cavey and Sarah and others and so forth mentioned what they do there is wrong. I mentioned Cow was wrong for flaming Sarah and was a jerk for that!

Well, because I was having a decent conversation (at first)...I go over and give LE a hard time and made her come with ANYWAY, even though it was no longer to create havoc.

Well, they asked her about her site, she posts it. They go and see the thread where we were goofing about it. Suddenly you would think I was THE most evil lying person on the face of the earth...me! No wonder Kathleen lost her mind. Talking rationally? Not an option. And third wonders aloud WHY people think all sorts of evil things about him, like if he posts as several people just to flame!! Does he really think he is right or is there something wrong with him?

Not only that...supposedly, LE, some other person who I don't know who they are AND I are all the same person! Why did I bother?

Seriously, Itsy, how much help did you expect to get there from me?! I'm sorry, but I just couldn't stomach the place....

[itsy]

Cavey...

Actually...FOR YOU...my wording was (not verbatim...I'd have to go look)...

If Cavey, Master of Mayhem at Lymenut, knows there is a problem here, isn't that worth looking at? Or something to that effect....

You weren't being flamed. He just said he was ticked because he read something here where you criticized the treatment of Kathleen. There are several threads, however, dedicated to Sarah-bashing.

Now its my turn to get ripped up...for being nice!! LOL

[itsy]

Mini...

Flaming is what somene does like "Go away dirt" towards another person...ya know

Its like "fanning the flames" so to speak.

LE...Its pretty rough. I didn't expect you to come to my defense tho! LOL

[CaliforniaLyme]

Just fyi, I have been bashed there for years. I am used to it!*)!!

[cave76]

itsy,

****Master of Mayhem at Lymenut****

Hey, I like that!! It has more alliteration than the High Madam Pooh Bah .

Remember that thread? LOL (Oh, I forgot--- I deleted it myself because there were lots of not-too-nice innuendos about Lymenet usa and the (then) moderator. Thought I'd beat the moderator to the punch.)

Thanks for clearing that 'flaming' thing on sci.med. up.

Sarah---- A person hasn't earned their 'cojones' until they've been bashed at sci. med. Now we can add "Lymenet usa to that aspired-for-honor. A person isn't judged by their friends but by their 'enemies'. And I have all the right sort of enemies.

[itsy]

'cojones'

Interesting.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

((Sorry. I couldn't resist))

I thought You would like "Master of Mayhem". That's why I didn't ask your premission to entitle you.

I do remember the thread...Deleted and Moved Posts Society or something. I just got there when you started that. And I jumped right in. That was THE best thread on Lymenet.

[AnotherGirl]

Hi everyone,
When I read "cojone"-- I couldn't resist posting! LOL. Its my first as a newbie who has had some experience at sci.med in the past.

The impersonation and or smearing of suffering people like Sarah, Lisa, Carla, Karen and many others on the sci.med.disease.lyme forum -- and the goading and jailing of Kathleen--- should be a wake up call to everyone in the Lyme community. We have serious enemies ---they are persistent, they have NO cojones ---and they have deep pockets, they have US Senators, and they have BIG, pro-bono Washignton law firms at their beck and call.

These " men" are not operating on a fair playing field-- by now it should be obvious that no sane person would spend hours monitoring every conversation on Lyme forums --- or going to vast efforts to impersonate people--- if they weren't being paid to do so. They even get free legal help from big Washington law firms.

We don't have these resources. But we have something they don't: COJONES.

These "men" will stop at nothing to prevent the truth about Lyme (and Morgellons) from coming out into the sunshine.

The fact that sockpuppets such as 3rdman, ChuckAdams, Cow, SewerRat, StubbyElvis and Mockingbird choose never to reveal their true identities while simultaneously harassing and or impersonating other posters on sci.med.disease.lyme--- by posting their REAL NAMES, phone numbers and threats---- should be a double wake up call to all of us who suffer from Lyme disease. We are walking targets of their evil.

This is an organized effort by psychopaths --- against Lyme victims-- and not just a few nutcases who are obsessed with killing Kathleen or impersonating Sarah or discrediting Carla or Lisa, or trashing and financially depleting Karen Forschner's foundation and reputation.

These cowardly sockpuppets delight in torturing an admittedly sick, broken woman who is in a state of psychological despair. Kathleen has nothing left to live for but her anger. She was falsely imprisoned and gagged because she knew too much and now she is behaving exactly as they wish--- like a cornered and wounded mother polar bear. Its a CLASSIC form of trauma-based manipulation --- and it has certainly worked to a "t" on Kathleen-- despite her high IQ. (Trauma based mind control was used by MK Ultra-- an intelligence operation.. and it often works best on those who are intelligent but emotionally vulernable.)

Kathleen should IMMEDIATELY stop posting among the spooks at sci.med-- and, importantly-- renounce all antisemitic comments that she may have made-- she needs to apologize to Lisa and any of us with Jewish blood and jewish family members. We (at least I do ) forgive Kathleen, because we understand the desperation of this illness and we understand the immense evil that we're all up against.

These evil men will stop at nothing to goad Lyme patients into compromising situations. Just look at how they used lawsuits to trash the Forschners' foundation !!

Just look up probable CIA operative Ed McSweegan's "hit list on line" -- he's got probably a DOZEN vocal women with Lyme disease on it --- and he's gunning to destroy them all-- legally, financially or mentally. These people don't fool around... and it is very scary but truth will prevail. (McSweegan worked at AID in Egypt which means he most probably is CIA...or DIA-- AID is often a front.)

These men were responsible for Kathleen and Lisa's false jailing and they have done everything in their power to destroy them-- mentally, financially and physically. This is an old technique used in the intelligence community. Trashing, dividing and conquering and monitoring--- is what they do for a living. (And Kathleen has certainly given them a convenient excuse with her admittedly anti-semitic comments--- which she emphatically needs to stop NOW. )

The scientists involved in Lyme fraud should be judged by the content of their evil characters, and not by their ethnicity. They should be tried and convicted of murder, treason and scientific fraud against the American people.



Their marching orders include stirring up trouble and dissension within the Lyme community-- to prevent any meaningful solidarity or organization-- and painting all Lyme activists as nutjobs and conspiracy whackos-- terms that come directly out of their discrediting playbook.... These words are cues that the person using them has no interest in finding a cure or in alleviating Lyme victims' suffering-- and probably works in the intelligence community.

I can just imagine their weekly reports to their superiors -- "today I got Mary into a fight with Suzy-- I discredited Joey-- I impersonated Laura, and I implicitly threatened Larry ---- our objective of disintegrating/discrediting this forum will soon be accomplished."


We must become conscious of the attempts to discredit us-- we must understand the game plan and organize accordingly. Information is power-- detailed knowledge of their outrageous disinformation tactics is the first step to defeating them. We must get hip to their tricks.

These guys are masters of Pys Ops-- operations which try to infiltrate, disrupt, control and discredit a movement. There are many textbooks written on the subject-- and they are used when the government wants to protect itself from something...... divide and conquer--- disinformation, impersonation, lies, false charges and imprisonment-- the list goes on and on and everyone should be aware of it before they venture to sci.med.diseases.lyme.

These people are evil, they are organized, they are on a payroll, they are protected by the intelligence community and the likes of Senator Grassley of Iowa. They are arrogant, too.

They have one purpose -- that is to discredit and to create mayehm and havoc at Lyme, Moregellons, Chronic Fatigue and Gulf war forums to prevent organization by the victims, and the outing of truth.

For all her flaws, Kathleen Dickson has information that was very threatening to them and this is why they are obsessed with destroying her-- she has waged a valiant campaign-- but I fear that unless some of us in the community step in to protect her from herself-- she'll probably end up "suicided."

That's how men without cojones work.

[minitails2]

Well,
Okay, I shouldn't but I'll give it a try. I hope I can express a couple of thoughts without upsetting you.

Sci Med seems to need help and it would be great to see it get back on track. I'm not sure that attacking those who post there is very effective or helpful to Kathleen and it isn't clear to me that all those posters you mentioned have multiple identities. Do you have information about that?

You made a lot of accusations, I've heard most of them before. I sure wish I had access to your source of information.

Finally, I really wish Kathleen would and could get the help she needs. It's very sad to see how her behavior has become such a distraction to so many in many different ways. Without intention, her behavior can take away from the ability to concentrate on TBD's.

I always wish Kathleen well, and though I've never seen you before, I wish you well, too. Nobody should have to suffer like Kathleen.

[LymeEnigma]

I like your points, Anothergirl....