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28 February 2011
Time for the tinfoil hats
I may have been wrong when I wrote back in November 2009 that the denizens of the online forum, LymeNut, were unable to detect craziness among themselves. Apparently, one or two of them can. Case in point: one deeply disturbed woman posted the following concern about the alleged communicability of B. burgdorferi.
I think I just gave a janitor Lyme--disposed of biohazards in bathroom trashcan
Onbam, Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 23758
posted 06-16-2010 01:16 AM
So for the past week I've been, when using the public bathroom at my school, covering the toilet with saran wrap (to reduc aerosol) before flushing and then disposing of it in the trash can. That was irresponsible of me (not sealing it in an additional bag first or something), and one of the janitors tonight may have simply reached in the trash bag and removed 3 flushes' worth of saran wrap, one of which would have still been wet, with his bare hands. I told the custodial supervisor about lyme, what had happened, etc, and he said he let the appropriate authorities know.
Yuke! Still later in the night when the rational are at rest….
[ 06-16-2010, 02:00 AM: Message edited by: onbam ]
….no, I've been using saran wrap to cover the toilet before flushing because i read that an aerosol can transmit lyme. I was then throwing the saran wrap (which would have gotten used toilet water on it from the flushing of the toilet) in the bathroom trash, assuming that it wouldn't be touched and would just be disposed of when the bag was changed. I'll be sealing it in a separate bag from now on.
The MSD sheet, an official document easily found with a google search, states that an aerosol can spread it. A chapter from the WWII-era book Japan's Secret Weapon, available on lymecryme.com, documents that this property was taken advantage of in biological warfare as far back as the 30's.
(So basically, I saran wrap toilets before I flush, let them stand for 10 minutes after, then spray them with bleach--NOT WITH URINE IN, THOUGH. that will make mustard gas--let that stand, then flush the out again. OCD? Who knows? Toilets do produce aerosols, though nobody to my knowledge has gotten sick from one.)
Double yuke! Mustard gas from urine?? This woman definitely spends way too much time in public bathrooms and not enough time on a locked ward. So what’s the reaction to this kind of looniness from the members of LymeNut? Mostly silence, but one poster did write the following:
“I am just going to be frank with you about this. I think you need to see a psychiatrist because based on your posts, you seem to be ruminating beyond what would be considered "normal...."
Yet a year or so later, she’s still worried about urine-soaked spirochetes flying through the air to infect the unsuspecting masses at a proposed Lyme rally in May. Here’s the topic she posted on February 27, 2011:
“How to eliminate the biohazard at a Lyme disease protest?”
But before too many people could read anymore about this urine aerosol nonsense, someone at LymeNut had it deleted, leaving only this message: “You have requested a topic that does not exist!”
Gone but not forgotten.
Public health officials, scientists, and academic experts spend a great deal of time countering the claims, arguments, anecdotes and outright lies of Lyme disease activists and their quack doctors. For reporters and politicians, the effort often seems like just a second opinion among two equally valid interpretations of medical care. Perhaps instead of presenting rational argument, scientific data and evidence-based medicine, scientists and physicians should rely more on the words of Lyme activists and patients. Reason, stats, data, and evidence sometimes may be lost on the media and the pols, but crazy is self evident.
And nothing says crazy like the personal beliefs and actions of the Lyme disease community. I can’t think of any better ammunition to use against these people than their own claims about Lyme disease being a government bioweapon; their fears of urine aerosols or leaving their houses, or having their phones and computers tapped and hacked; their use of detox footbaths and electromagnetic devices from the 1930’s; coffee enemas and herbal diets; fears of cellphones and their effects on Lyme infections; and their creepy fascination with flatulence, stool consistencies, mucus and other bodily functions that have nothing to do with a possible Lyme infection.
So never mind rational argument and debate; instead, mine the Internet for activists’ beliefs and present that to the public and the press. Science may be hard to see, but crazy is right there in your face, jumping up and down, screaming for attention.
of the activists are getting their irrational and crazy ideas from their licensed medical professionals