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Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 14:46
by duncan
Oh, so, you...Ah! You were just poking fun at us with that yawn silliness. Clever boy!

Unsubstantiated claims and speculation being made over and over again...Now where have I heard that before? Oh, right, that nasty PTLDS and chronic Lyme scandal that just won't go away. How's that working out for you these days?

But that's not the point of this thread. What IS the point is we could all benefit from a culture test that worked reliably through all stages of Lyme disease progression. Even you would agree to that, yes Henry?

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 16:37
by Henry
Yes, that is the point isn't it. And my point is that we have one -- and have had one for years. It is called culturing on BSK, where it has been demonstrated that one can culture a single Borrelial cell from material derived from an infected tick, or mouse, or human. You can't do much better than that!! The reason one can not demonstrate the presence of Borrelia in specimens from those who think that they have Lyme disease or chronic Lyme disease is that they just might not have it. It is NOT because BSK is not a good culture medium.

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 16:50
by duncan
Yes, yes, we are all familiar with that old distraction. Thing is, many individuals DO have Lyme, and Lyme researchers should focus on them - on acute stage case, late stage, pretreatment, post-treatment, all through the disease progression - instead of prematurely proclaiming "No Lyme disease here! Our job is done. Maybe we can still hit Happy Hour at the local pub..." ;)

Better diagnostics across the board would be a big first step in the right direction.

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 18:44
by Henry
But don't you think to continually search to prove that you have Lyme disease, even though you can find no conclusive evidence to support such a possibility, is not such a good idea? How is that going to relieve the symptoms that surely then must be due to other causes? It's not a very smart way to solve your problems is it? The best diagnostic test you can imagine is NOT going to show that you have Lyme disease if you don't have it.

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 18:47
by duncan
Henry, please, PLEASE stop that. Walk away from that talking point. Many people DO have Lyme and you turning a deaf ear to that undeniable reality does Science a disservice, and worse, does all those sick people a disservice.

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 19:23
by LHCTom
LHCTom: Oh yes, you have quite a vivid imagination.
Thanks... Now you have it. Try developing an imagination of your own and maybe you'll break away from group think.

Were you really slow in school? Its very sad.

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 20:17
by velvetmagnetta
The whole point of creating a better culture was to grow Borrelia from BLOOD

BLOOD
BLOOD
BLOOD

Where they are not found in such abundance as in cartilage.

Barbour did great culturing Lyme from a place where they usually are in large numbers - cartilage - but, unfortunately, not too many people will go for a cartilage scrape! Will they?

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 21:02
by Henry
Velvetmagntta: Sorry, you're wrong. He cultured BLOOD as well.

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 22:01
by nnecker
Henry said:
. She(Sapi) still hasn't demonstrated that she can find Borrelia using her modified medium that would NOT likewise be detected using conventional BSK
That's not true Henry.Her modified BSK can culture altered transcriptome spirochetes that come from a human environment,standard BSK is not able to do that. ;)

Re: Rebuttal published to CDC vs Advanced in J Clin Microbio

Posted: Fri 5 Dec 2014 23:00
by velvetmagnetta
References, please, Henry. I am having trouble locating the experiment you are talking about. Thank you!