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Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 14:44
by X-member
Spanky:
Wasn't the point, there, Einstein.
Thank you! ;)

Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 14:59
by X-member
Spanky:
Point was that you might want to be a bit wary, skeptical, of the informational value of articles where you have to pay to gain access.
The quality of the studies used in the Swedish recommendation for chronic Lyme borreliosis (=late Lyme disease in US):

I have used google translate (and maybe there are better words or expressions):

http://www.lakemedelsverket.se/upload/h ... k_webb.pdf
Case series of case-control and cohort studies with low quality.
I think those studies don't cost anything. ;)

Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 15:01
by X-member
Bagge and Spanky.

Is it ok to go back to discuss how to do studies on late Lyme disease (=chronic or late Lyme borreliosis in Europe) or late persistent Lyme disease (=chronic or late persistent Lyme Borreliosis in Europe) now, or do both of you have something more to say about the German study/summary?

Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 15:13
by Spanky
"Carina":
Bagge and Spanky.

Is it ok to go back to discuss how to do studies on late Lyme disease or late persistent Lyme disease now, or do both of you have something more to say about the German study/summary?
No, Einstein, it is NOT okay.

We understood what you had to say on this the first several hundred times.

I wonder if you could listen to what others are trying to say to you about your obsession with repeating this and try to at least appear to be considerate of the wishes of others? (And you might want to notice that the topic of this thread isn't about Carina Einstein's bizarre fixation with this issue. Relatively speaking, of course).

Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 15:17
by X-member
So, you don't like that I suggested that they should use other tests, since the US criteria probably miss many cases with late Lyme disease?

How many times have I said the above in this forum, Spanky?

Can you link me to those posts?

Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2012 18:46
by X-member
I don't know where to post this, but since I have mentioned PCR in this thread I post it here (and if it should be posted somewhere else in this forum too, maybe someone else can do it?):


"Microbial Pathogen that Causes Lyme Disease Identified through qPCR Testing

Cinnaminson, NJ, October 16, 2012"


http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=162927

A quote:
The qPCR analysis of Borrelia burgdorferi rapidly detects the presence of small quantities of the bacteria whether they are alive, dead or cannot be cultured. This technique is exceptionally fast, accurate, and sensitive.”
Edit to add:

Sorry, but they don't inform us about how long time dead bacteria can remain in the body, but there are already another thread about this, in this forum.

Edit to add2:

And here is an answer from another member about the above:

http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/view ... =10#p30347

Re: Guidelines for Diagnosis and Treatment German Borreliosi

Posted: Mon 22 Oct 2012 17:37
by X-member
Earlier in this topic it has been a disussion about Lyme tests, and I found this:

"CDC researcher answers questions on disease, tests"

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/arti ... ournal.com

A quote (from page 4):
These are qualifications that are not reflected in the CDC endorsement of the test as “almost always” testing positive in late stages. Your response?
Almost always? Not every time?