Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

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Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Post by Camp Other » Wed 29 May 2013 19:52

Carina wrote:This is (in my eyes) not at all complicated. ;)

[snipped...]

Perhaps some people also need this information from EUCALB.
http://meduni09.edis.at/eucalb/cms_15/i ... &Itemid=38

A quote:
The three stages are named early localised LB, early disseminated LB and late (chronic) LB.
Yes, this simplifies matters in terms of definitions.

Now can you simplify Pandora's free association for us regarding how Lyme disease is connected to everything else she writes about?

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Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Post by X-member » Wed 29 May 2013 20:39

CO wrote:
Now can you simplify Pandora's free association for us regarding how Lyme disease is connected to everything else she writes about?
Sorry, I don't think I can.

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Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Post by Pandora » Sat 1 Jun 2013 5:59

OK this is kinda long, but surely if your here you like the real science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSnxCr7kz8
Politicians will also have to become aware

they have to think towards the long term.

This new approach to medicine may cost money

(prevention, specialised units, etc)

but in the long term it will bring in money,

it will slash spending

as we won't be faced with the ever-growing costs

of people with Alzheimer's disease being cared for in homes,

of cancer treatment, AIDS treatment,

both involving long-term chemotherapy.
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Why did the worlds leading expert of PRION/AIDS/LYME say this?
Because we have NON HIV AIDS caused by spirochetes that share their genes with whatever they need to suvive.....

IT is the real Prion Europe slaughtered 200 millions cattle for in lies of MadCow.
IT is the cause of AIDS, NOT HIV,
and it is gene sharing spriochetal prion protein that cause Morgellons in all those who suffer their syndromes, psych, and cancers in their guts, in their brains, and in their skin.

With whatever junk genes it wants to share with, AND why Autism kids develop their syndromes when JUNK DNA in vaccines and GMO Gluten recombine in spirochetal prion proteins in the real seronegative AIDS. And why they cannot tolerate eating their crap junk genes.
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HIV gp120 and OspA are the same thing, and you can't make a vaccine out of it. They failed -- all of them. Thailand with their est. 30K. reporting an AIDS LIKE illness, and countless other failures they stole our money for.
There does not seem to be any other toxin that does what Pam3Cys does, and we find it as the main antigens in HIV and Lyme.


Recently, similar desensitization experiments were reported which demonstrated that stimuli other than LPS, e.g., highly purified lipoteichoic acid (LTA) (22)

and macrophage-activating lipopeptide 2 (MALP-2) from mycoplasma (36),

can also render macrophages tolerant

to subsequent restimulation."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC162029/
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YES WE TOLERATE the infections in lies of syndromes and cancers to kill us.

Generating extracellular amyloid aggregates using E. coli cells.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23166018

Diverse proteins

are known to be capable of
forming amyloid aggregates,
self-seeding fibrillar assemblies

that may be biologically functional

or pathological.

Well-known examples include neurodegenerative disease-associated proteins that misfold as amyloid, fungal prion proteins that can transition to a self-propagating amyloid form

and certain bacterial proteins

that fold as amyloid at the cell surface

and promote biofilm formation.

To further explore the diversity of amyloidogenic proteins, generally applicable methods for identifying them are critical.

Here we describe a cell-based method for generating amyloid aggregates that relies

on the

natural ability

of Escherichia coli cells to elaborate amyloid fibrils at the cell surface.

We use several different yeast prion proteins and the human huntingtin protein to show that protein secretion

via this specialized export pathway

promotes acquisition of the amyloid fold

specifically for proteins that have an inherent amyloid-forming propensity.

Furthermore, our findings establish the potential of this E. coli-based system

to facilitate the implementation of high-throughput screens for identifying amyloidogenic proteins and modulators of amyloid aggregation.
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and the misfolded proteins with conformations

different from the normal proteins

have been proved to be the main cause for protein aggregation.
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So why haven't they found out what it takes? I mean come on...Mad Cow was soooo 80's? They now propagate Prion protein where it comes from---HeLa cells and Ecoli. Surprised?
http://tgs.freshpatents.com/Prion-bx1.php
http://patents.com/search/?top_keyword=Prion&sa=Search
http://prionpatents.com/index.html

One of the same reasons we are dying....
Imagine our gene columns stripped of their protection mechanisms of our TLR's that vaccines turned off...Introduce genetically altered organisms DNA that glob around those gene columns and pick and choose what they need from those globs to survive.
That is the real AIDS/PRION/LYME killing the public.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23614720
However, recent exciting data

suggest that the transmissibility of misfolded proteins within the brain

is a property that goes """way beyond the rare prion diseases."""
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How many infections do you suppose she suffers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpZbPeu ... playnext=1
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Probable spirochetal etiology could be demonstrated for 41 of 45 (91%) patients with clinical symptoms of chronic meningitis.
Approximately 25% of the patients had significantly elevated titers of antibody to the spirochete in CSF but not in serum.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication ... ub_cit_inc
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So if they found spirochetal disease in 41 of 45 people with Meningitis what exactly is it they are vaccinating to prevent? Hey folks your paying for it don't you think you ought to know what they are giving your kids? OSPA perhaps?

Weak tendons, ligaments, bones are caused by infections they refuse to treat. And too stupid to culture.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term ... eoscarcoma

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23614720
However, recent exciting data suggest that the transmissibility of misfolded proteins within the brain is a property that goes """"way beyond the rare prion diseases.""""

synuclein-gamma
http://antibodies.cancer.gov/apps/site/ ... PTC-SNCG-1

It now appears that lymphotoxin may bridge the gap

between altered composition

of the commensal microbiota and metabolism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23657002

LOL....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22912582
Lymphotoxin, but not TNF, is required for prion invasion of lymph nodes.
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Of course no one makes them detect or culture spirochetes...

PEOPLE 1/3 TO 1/2 OF THE POP.S HAVE A "LATENT" FORM OF TB---90% OF THE POPS HAVE EBV AND OTHER HERPES SIMILARS....1/3 are found to have Toxoplasmosis, and I am sure when someone bothers to look like France, Russia and Italy have have they will find all the infections too.

YOU DO "NOT" NEED TO ASK WHAT VACCINES HAVE PROTECTED YOU FROM ANYMORE----ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

THEY HAVE DESTROYED MAN AND BEAST ALIKE TO THE EDGE OF THE ABYSS.....

Recently, similar desensitization experiments were reported which demonstrated that stimuli other than LPS, e.g., highly purified lipoteichoic acid (LTA) (22)

and macrophage-activating lipopeptide 2 (MALP-2) from mycoplasma (36),

can also render macrophages

tolerant

to subsequent restimulation."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC162029/

YES WE TOLERATE the infections in lies of syndromes and cancers to kill us.

Generating extracellular amyloid aggregates using E. coli cells.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23166018

Diverse proteins are known to be capable of

forming amyloid aggregates,

self-seeding

fibrillar assemblies

that may be biologically functional

or pathological.
--
Well-known examples include neurodegenerative disease-associated proteins that misfold as amyloid, fungal prion proteins that can transition to a self-propagating amyloid form

and certain bacterial proteins

that fold as amyloid at the cell surface

and promote biofilm formation.

To further explore the diversity of amyloidogenic proteins, generally applicable methods for identifying them are critical.

Here we describe a cell-based method for generating amyloid aggregates that relies

on the natural ability

of Escherichia coli cells to elaborate

amyloid fibrils at the cell surface.

We use several different yeast prion proteins and the human huntingtin protein to show that protein secretion

via this specialized export pathway

promotes acquisition of the amyloid fold

specifically for proteins that have an inherent amyloid-forming propensity.

Furthermore, our findings establish the potential of this E. coli-based system

to facilitate the implementation of high-throughput screens for identifying amyloidogenic proteins and modulators of amyloid aggregation.
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Imagine our gene columns stripped of their protection mechanisms of our TLR's that vaccines turned off...Introduce genetically altered organisms that glob around those gene columns and pick and choose what they need from those globs to survive.

That is the real AIDS/PRION/LYME killing the public.

http://newjournal.kcsnet.or.kr/main/j_s ... s&dpage=ar
Conventional analytical procedures (e.g., Edman degradation and amino acid analysis)

are either not applicable

due to the N-terminal modification,

or do not provide confirmation of the intact structure.

Chromatographic analysis is also hindered by the tendency of these

lipoidal Pam3Cys peptides to form large aggregates,

and in some cases to be permanently adsorbed

on reversed phase columns.

We have applied several mass spectrometric techniques,

including fast atom bombardment (FAB), electrospray ionization (ESI) and matrix assisted laser desorption ionization (MALDI) to characterize the intact structures of a number of different Pam3Cys synthetic peptides.

1996=Totally ignored to protect profits. And they knew the same back in 1985 and did nothing. The infections cause cancers and all syndromes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23689138
LMP1 is secreted via exosomes, is incorporated into EBV-uninfected cells by endocytosis, and affects the environment surrounding the tumor. Here we reviewed the contribution of EBV gene products to NPC pathogenesis in relation with LMP1.

It is also the cause of Morgellons in the masses...only they refuse to look or produce an exit so you can see just how badly the public is infected..Its quite easy to see with a micro magnifying glass after first enducing an exit with animal wormer paste or some mild drops of acid like lemon.
http://www.morgellons-research.org/morg ... oscop3.htm


So why didn't they tell you it attaches junk DNA to your gene columns when injected?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.2845.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...
http://www.morgellons-research.org/morg ... oscop3.htm
http://f1000research.com/articles/2-25/v1

Proving
Lipid Rafts Exist: Membrane Domains in the Prokaryote Borrelia
burgdorferi Have the Same Properties as Eukaryotic Lipid Rafts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?ter ... 20Prokaryo
[Infectious properties of protein aggregates involved in neurodegenerative diseases].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=[Infectious%20properties%20of%20protein%20aggregates%20involved%20in%20neurodegenerative%20diseases].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm...
The plasmids together function as a portable incubator for genetic
innovation that allows Bb to accomplish immune evasion feats not
witnessed elsewhere in the bacterial kingdom.

That's why the ARMY classified them as bioweapons and played with spirochetes
for 50yrs. before deciding to use them in vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23678876
These phenotypes can be so distinctive that they would seem to have differing
biology. However,

they cannot be distinguished, at least
neuropathologically or genetically.

In sporadic ALS (SALS), they are
mostly characterized by ubiquitinated

cytoplasmic inclusions of TDP-43.

In familial ALS (FALS), where phenotypes are indistinguishable from SALS
and similarly heterogeneous,

each mutated gene has its own genetic and
molecular signature.
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Hey,,,that ain't HIV he's talkin about.
Neither was this guy....
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=91 ... id=9121538

Why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE NORMAL. WE ARE ALL INFECTED WITH STEALTH.
The amyloid-forming proteins tau, αB crystallin, and amyloid P protein

are all found in lesions of multiple sclerosis (MS).

Our previous work established that amyloidogenic peptides from the small heat shock protein αB crystallin (HspB5)

and from amyloid β fibrils,

characteristic of Alzheimer's disease,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

How long have the skum bags known and not helped the people?
The
newly synthesized DNA in IFN-beta-treated cells was replicative and not
repair DNA. The observation that IFN-beta inhibits the processing of
newly synthesized low molecular weight DNA into normal DNA might be
explained by the intracellular accumulation of S-adenosylhomocysteine in
IFN-beta-treated HeLa cells (de Ferra, F., and Baglioni, C.

(1983) J.
Biol. Chem. 258, 2118-2121) which could change the soluble
ribonucleotide and deoxyribonucleotide pool and ultimately affect DNA
processing.
http://www.jbc.org/content/259...


Now they splain it all away by telling you to just be Happy!!! LOL
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... WG4cc.dpbs

That is just a drop of the science proving their crimes against humanity. We only went to war to take out USA with more junk to recombine in the spirochetal prion protein infections we already have. Why else would thousands suffer lies of PTSD, and 22 a day keel themselves a day denied treatment for the infections?
They knew in 1956 what they were giving us.

Do you know how to give Bee's their own stem cells because they and the bats are infected from using contaminated feces for fertilizers and bats and birds like martins eating blood eating moquito's ?

No worries. Monstersanto stole all the NON GMO Bee's they could muster.

Now take your 5 doses of "ETHICALLY" approved Anthrax vaccine for your sick kiddies and lets get this shoe on the road..

HeLa cells for vaccine use
http://vimeo.com/9581140

You may have all the faith in the world in pharma after letting millions suffer lies of Autism caused by infectious JUNK DNA in vaccines recombining in spirochetal disease they KNEW could not be killed===Until its one of YOURS....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpZbPeu ... playnext=1


We humans were never intended to have spirochetal Junk in vaccines, or Ecoli God made to take care of fecal waste injected into our skin. They have destroyed our immune systems, they have stolen billions of live in lies, and stolen countless Tax dollars, not to mention how much their criminal lies have cost pts.

Its not only time to DIVORCE LYME, Its time to DIVORCE the whole Medical Mafia lies of protections, lies of meds used just to treat the symptoms, lies of who and why we suffer spirochetal disease.

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Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Post by Pandora » Sat 1 Jun 2013 6:40

Got a Keeper!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23705811
CONCLUSIONS:The miRNA expression profile is broadly altered in the SC in sALS. Amongst these is a group of dysregulated miRNAs directly regulate the NFL mRNA 3[prime]UTR,

suggesting a role in the selective suppression

of NFL mRNA

in the ALS spinal motor neuron neurofilamentous aggregate formation.

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Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Post by duncan » Sat 1 Jun 2013 11:19

Pandora, I always enjoy your posts. You make my brain engage; I can almost hear it grind as it shakes off rust, and gears groan against gears.

But your segues are difficult for me. In that I cannot find them.

I seem to find myself leaping from thought to thought, with only science to cling to - for me, that is a thin thread.

And you provide so much cool stuff! Science and mystery and stream of consciousness...I don't know if I'm reading some sort of hybrid of James Joyce and Ellery Queen and Isaac Asimov when I open one of your posts. ;) But I can tell you that you always get my attention, if that counts for anything.

But, please help me a little with tightening the logic for this weak mind, or yelling out the segues so I can locate and understand them better.

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Post by Camp Other » Sat 1 Jun 2013 16:54

duncan wrote:Pandora, I always enjoy your posts. You make my brain engage; I can almost hear it grind as it shakes off rust, and gears groan against gears.

But your segues are difficult for me. In that I cannot find them.

I seem to find myself leaping from thought to thought, with only science to cling to - for me, that is a thin thread.

And you provide so much cool stuff! Science and mystery and stream of consciousness...I don't know if I'm reading some sort of hybrid of James Joyce and Ellery Queen and Isaac Asimov when I open one of your posts. ;) But I can tell you that you always get my attention, if that counts for anything.

But, please help me a little with tightening the logic for this weak mind, or yelling out the segues so I can locate and understand them better.
It's taken me a little while - and under the influence of less caffeine than I'd like - but the gist of her post is this:

Henrietta Lacks had syphilis.
When they biopsied her cells during surgery and make them into cell lines, they took some of the Treponema spirochetes with them in those cells.
These cells were shared around the world and many labs have them.
These cells were used in vaccine development.
Therefore Treponema spirochetes were incorporated into vaccines.
And it isn't just these spirochetes - no, it's other things which have cross-contaminated HeLa, and therefore contaminated vaccines.
And these vaccines could trigger prion development in their host.

So according to Pandora, everyone who has ever had a vaccine is essentially screwed. They develop autism or they develop Alzheimer's or they develop some other awful problem.

The thing is, while individual links of hers may be factual, it takes certain leaps of logic (and intent) to produce this hypothesis. And some of these links are more or less credible than others. But frankly, I don't see the evidence for this string of events occurring and there is conflicting evidence.

In order to support this viewpoint, you have to provide solid evidence that A exists and A is causing B - not just say A exists alongside B, sometimes, under certain conditions - therefore A causes B.

Not everyone gets autism or develops Alzheimer's disease or gets cancer, even though most people get vaccinated.

If her hypothesis is correct, she needs to demonstrate step-by-step in a clear way how those connections are clearly made and have evidence to back each one of them - rather than lay out a set of links like this and expect everyone to see the connections she does.

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Post by duncan » Sun 2 Jun 2013 20:15

Thank you, Camp Other. :)

Pandora, or anyone else that may wish to answer, have any studies been done that anyone is aware that tie prion disease/degeneration to bacterial infection? I have seen studies suggesting miRNA or HERVs some how associated, and even viruses like EBV - at least associations. But can't recall Borrelia or anything like that. If it exists, I would love to read it. I don't believe mainstream research is calibrated for chronic disease, or chronic manifestations of what are usually perceived as acute illnesses, or at least illnesses of limited duration - prion disease included. It's wildly easy to speculate - at least I find it so ;) - but I prefer studies as benchmarks, as we all do. I fear that few studies have been directed at a chronic form of CJD, let alone a possible bacterial etiology.

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Post by X-member » Mon 3 Jun 2013 16:32

I do not really understand what Pandora is trying to say, but since this topic (as I understand it) is about that a borrelia infection actually CAN be chronic (=last for a long time), I post the (google translated) quote below in this topic:
Rolf Gustafsson describes the borrelia bacteria as very complicated. The reason for this is that the bacteria change its "clothes" all the time and our immune system will not recognize it.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article16861252.ab

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Post by Pandora » Fri 7 Jun 2013 17:51

Why? Simply because they make no antibodies against the infections and they are too stupid to culture?

http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vac ... E-and-vCJD

Spirochetal proteins behave like they have always described prion to behave. In fact Prof. Stevenson even goes to far to describe 3 of borrelia's proteins as "prion like". What it takes to adopt those characteristics is still debatable.
http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/16/5443.full
EbfC preferentially binds the palindromic sequence GTnAC,

where ‘n’

can be any base,

with all erp Operator 2 regions

containing two adjacent EbfC-binding sites

"What this says is exactly what it means". The n may be any peice of any organism folded within the protein to cause disease.

By putting it in Ecoli-----

http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/188/ ... d=16740939
http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/16/5443.long
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the present studies suggest that cellular levels of free BpaB and EbfC may contribute to regulation of erp gene expression.
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THAT---is lies of prion....they plucked out free proteins and did not feed them to express their DNA...

They let that boy die of spirochetal disease, not MadCow.
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Cell extract-containing medium for the culture of intracellular fastidious bacteria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23740722
J Clin Microbiol. 2013 Jun 5. [Epub ahead of print]

http://www.medsci.org/v10p0362.htm
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They can pluck out any ole protein and if they don't feed it it can be prion. Prion was a lie, a coverup.

How do amino acid substitutions affect the amyloidogenic properties and seeding efficiency of prion peptides.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23736988
Amino Acids. 2013 Jun 5. [Epub ahead of print]
Using amyloid fibrils

prepared from the bovine PrP peptide as seeds,

the seeding efficiency for the monomer peptides with the M129L, S135N, N143S, or I139M substitution was

decreased compared to that for bPrP peptide.
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Benefit of doxycycline treatment on articular disability caused by dialysis related amyloidosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23734692
Amyloid. 2013 Jun 4. [Epub ahead of print]

Now do you want to know what causes Diabetes or are you just going to continue to just treat the SYMPTOMS?

And in REPLY to campother---YES each and every vaccine adds to the prion synergy of spirochetal disease. Just as we see AUTISM now being exhibited in 1 in 29 now being severely multiply infected, each subsequent generation is and will get much worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSnxCr7kz8
He does not say 80% for the fun of it...Its down to the wire folks...and we are on it.

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Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce
Post by Pandora » Sat 1 Jun 2013 5:59

HIV gp120 and OspA are the same thing, and you can't make a vaccine out of it. They failed -- all of them. Thailand with their est. 30K. reporting an AIDS LIKE illness, and countless other failures they stole our money for.
There does not seem to be any other toxin that does what Pam3Cys does, and we find it as the main antigens in HIV and Lyme.
I think I recognize the above gibberish. It looks like it’s from LymeNut Kathleen Dickson of Connecticut. So either Pandora is this unfortunate felon and mental patient or he/she has been reading her stuff.
http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/view ... son#p26631
Henrietta Lacks had syphilis.
When they biopsied her cells during surgery and make them into cell lines, they took some of the Treponema spirochetes with them in those cells.
These cells were shared around the world and many labs have them.
These cells were used in vaccine development.
Therefore Treponema spirochetes were incorporated into vaccines.
And it isn't just these spirochetes - no, it's other things which have cross-contaminated HeLa, and therefore contaminated vaccines.
And these vaccines could trigger prion development in their host.

So according to Pandora, everyone who has ever had a vaccine is essentially screwed. They develop autism or they develop Alzheimer's or they develop some other awful problem.
Pop quiz time.
Question 1. T. pallidum is an A) intracellular or B) extracellular pathogen?
Question 2. What two compounds are routinely added to cell/tissue culture media to prevent bacterial growth? Hint: one begins with P, the other with S.

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