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Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Thu 23 May 2013 16:36
by inmacdonald
Borreliosis has long since eclipsed the medical category of Lyme disease.
Borreliosis is International and multi-specialtional.
Lyme is Simple, highly regulated, Definition limited, unsuitable for Garinii, Afzelii, Kurtenbackii,
Spielmanii, Mantovania, and most of all ____Borrelia Miyamotoi,_____which is now co-transmitted
by the Ixodid tick bite.

Lyme is highly politicized.
Lyme is always difficult to acquire, and easy to treat.

Borreliosis is easy to acquire and difficult to treat.

Lyme is never Chronic.
Borreliosis may be very ,very,very chronic.

Lyme is never Fatal.
Borreliosis may be fatal at the fetal, neuropsychiatric, Cerebral, Cardiac, presentations.

Now is the time to render unto Lyme that which is Lyme
and to render unto Borreliosis that which is borreliosis.

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Borreliosis and Lyme time for a Divorce.pdf
Borreliosis divorce from Lyme
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It is just the Right thing to do : DIVORCE
and let the two parties not continue to argue with each other.
Separate
Neat
Clean
Division of Property:
Never to be obliged to reconcile.

Irreconcilable Differences

This divorce is in the Best Interest of Both Parties.
Each takes away the properties and possessions which fitting and proper.

Let there be no animosity:
Let there be a celebration of this divorce, and let there be NO ALIMONY
payable by either party.

Respectfully,
Alan B. MacDonald, MD
FCAP, FASCP
May 23,2013

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Fri 24 May 2013 4:08
by hv808ct
Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce
Post by inmacdonald » Thu 23 May 2013
Not sure what is being proposed here as it reads like increasingly poor haiku.

The issue of naming Lyme disease or Lyme borreliosis, however, has come up in the past and has been thoughtfully discussed by Robert Aronowitz in his book, “Making Sense of Illness,” and more recently at an IOM meeting on vector-borne diseases. As he said, “Framing Lyme disease as new disease rather than an American variant of an existing one had consequences.”

The name game also was mentioned in a long blog posting* (previously posted here, I think) about the history of Lyme disease. “Thus, instead of being recognized and declared an American version of a well-known ECM/borreliosis, the tick-borne spirochetal infection that surfaced in Lyme, CT acquired a distinct new name, “Lyme disease,” and the aura of a mysterious newness that attracted sometimes breathless media attention and fed a growing public fear of something “new” lurking in the woods.”

The damage is done; re-branding isn’t likely to overcome the existing hysteria and mania.

*http://relative-risk.blogspot.com/2011/ ... -name.html

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Fri 24 May 2013 11:54
by duncan
hv808ct: "The damage is done; re-branding isn't likely to overcome the existing hysteria and mania."

:shock:

Are you peddling hyperbole or just watching Reefer Madness, or is it something altogether off the grid?

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Sun 26 May 2013 4:57
by Pandora
Great Job Doc McD....but these are my sentiments...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8imfAModVB4

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Mon 27 May 2013 21:00
by Pandora
THE LILLY LIVERED SOB'S....TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE WILL BE NO SPIROCHETAL FOCUSED AUTOPSIES WE ARE FIGHTING FOR.....
http://www.healthcanal.com/child-health ... topsy.html

http://dx.doi.org/10.1097/RLU.0b013e318262ad9b
Results
Of all patients, 75% demonstrated abnormalities in perfusion
to various areas of the brain, most notably the frontal,
temporal, and parietal lobes.
Patients considered to be
seropositive and those considered seronegative
had similar rates, types, and severity of perfusion defects.

KINDA HARD TO PERFUSE A DEAD BODY.

Did you know that 90% of all psych disease has abnormal spect scans?
Fools.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149839/
Over the last quarter century, there has been much discussion of the “Future of Psychiatry” [68] as we move into a more biologically based paradigm.

Here is an example: C, age 12, was hospitalized for attacking another child at school. This was his third psychiatric hospitalization. C had been diagnosed with ADHD at age 6, but stimulants caused him to hallucinate. At age 9 he was hospitalized for an aggressive episode, diagnosed with a mood disorder and placed on an antidepressant without benefit. By age 12 he had been in psychotherapy for 3 years, also without benefit. Given his resistant illness, and the tens of thousands of dollars spent on his care, a brain SPECT study was ordered which showed severe left temporal lobe hypoperfusion (Fig. 88). Unilateral temporal lobe hypoperfusion is often seen with epileptic phenomena [52]. On an anticonvulsant C’s behavior normalized and he has maintained his progress for over 10 years.
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Gross incompetence and failures of Govt. and the Medical SYSTEMs to tell the truth of what Lyme Rage can do...They let Autism kids eat their own arms off to try to get out of the pain instead of freatking treating the truth....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpZbPeu ... playnext=1
The real seronegative AIDS has infected everyone just like they now try to discern degree's of AUTISM. When the only difference is how many and what kinds of infections they have, and the immune system they are in....

Lyme is NOT RARE. Only criminals tests make it rare.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22878540

You want to know just how bad this really is? Thyroid scans were thought all this time to be showing normal thyroid tissue in nuclear scans...They are wrong. It does NOT show up normal thyroid tissue. It shows diseased thyroid tissue and they have been lying all along.

Hashimoto's, and all the other stupids are caused by infections!!!!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23687274
Comparative genome analysis
has revealed a new family of B. burgdorferi proteins containing the von Willebrand factor A (vWFA) domain.

Did they miss something important diagnosing Hemopheliac's?

WE AIN'T THE ONLY ONES LOSING THIS WAR.
If the rate observed is representative and remains unchanged, these species would disappear from half of the habitats they currently occupy in about 20 years.
USGS Study Confirms U.S. Amphibian Populations Declining at Precipitous Rates
Released: 5/22/2013 4:59:00 PM
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.as ... aBQwUrVssI

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Tue 28 May 2013 2:52
by Camp Other
Pandora wrote:THE LILLY LIVERED SOB'S....TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE WILL BE NO SPIROCHETAL FOCUSED AUTOPSIES WE ARE FIGHTING FOR.....
http://www.healthcanal.com/child-health ... topsy.html
Pandora, it's not just about spirochetal diseases. If a patient's family wants to do an autopsy, the hospital balks at it and considers it too expensive. They do it at their own cost, especially if cause of death was not obvious or in some way suspicious. In the 1950's, 50% of hospital deaths had autopsies performed - today it's down to something like 12%. Nobody wants to pay for them, and no one wants to take the time to do them. For anyone.
Pandora wrote: http://dx.doi.org/10.1097/RLU.0b013e318262ad9b
Results
Of all patients, 75% demonstrated abnormalities in perfusion
to various areas of the brain, most notably the frontal,
temporal, and parietal lobes.
Patients considered to be
seropositive and those considered seronegative
had similar rates, types, and severity of perfusion defects.

KINDA HARD TO PERFUSE A DEAD BODY.

Did you know that 90% of all psych disease has abnormal spect scans?
Fools.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149839/
Over the last quarter century, there has been much discussion of the “Future of Psychiatry” [68] as we move into a more biologically based paradigm.

Here is an example: C, age 12, was hospitalized for attacking another child at school. This was his third psychiatric hospitalization. C had been diagnosed with ADHD at age 6, but stimulants caused him to hallucinate. At age 9 he was hospitalized for an aggressive episode, diagnosed with a mood disorder and placed on an antidepressant without benefit. By age 12 he had been in psychotherapy for 3 years, also without benefit. Given his resistant illness, and the tens of thousands of dollars spent on his care, a brain SPECT study was ordered which showed severe left temporal lobe hypoperfusion (Fig. 88). Unilateral temporal lobe hypoperfusion is often seen with epileptic phenomena [52]. On an anticonvulsant C’s behavior normalized and he has maintained his progress for over 10 years.
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Gross incompetence and failures of Govt. and the Medical SYSTEMs to tell the truth of what Lyme Rage can do...They let Autism kids eat their own arms off to try to get out of the pain instead of freatking treating the truth....
Hypoperfusion can be caused by many different things. Citing your paper you link to, above, on page 6:
"1. Overall Decreased Perfusion

This pattern is often associated with toxicity, illness or insult to the brain. It is frequently seen in drug and alcohol abuse, abuse of prescription medications such as benzodiazepines, environmental toxins, such as carbon monoxide poisoning, infectious disease, such as meningitis, anoxic states, significant hypothyroidism, anemia, chemotherapy and severe dehydration. Seeing this pattern does not give the etiology, but alerts clinicians to search for causes which will allow them to understand it."
Infectious disease such as Lyme disease or any other tickborne infection is only one of a number of causes for decreased perfusion aka hypoperfusion.
Pandora wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpZbPeu ... playnext=1
The real seronegative AIDS has infected everyone just like they now try to discern degree's of AUTISM. When the only difference is how many and what kinds of infections they have, and the immune system they are in....
I'm sorry this young girl is crying and has a difficult time due to autism. However, posting this sad video has nothing to do with Lyme disease. And if it does, you haven't explained it.

As for the actual message of the video, it links vaccination to the development of autism and not Lyme disease. In response to that particular claim, I recommend reading this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22277186
Pandora wrote: Lyme is NOT RARE. Only criminals tests make it rare.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22878540
Of course Lyme disease is not rare. It's the fastest growing vector based disease.

This link is interesting because it mentions horses which are not only testing positive for tickborne disease at a high rate - but they are coinfected with two other pathogens - including one which previously hadn't been in the area in which the horses lived.

It goes to show you that these diseases are expanding their range. Which based on climate change was predicted to happen.
Pandora wrote: You want to know just how bad this really is? Thyroid scans were thought all this time to be showing normal thyroid tissue in nuclear scans...They are wrong. It does NOT show up normal thyroid tissue. It shows diseased thyroid tissue and they have been lying all along.

Hashimoto's, and all the other stupids are caused by infections!!!!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23687274
Comparative genome analysis
has revealed a new family of B. burgdorferi proteins containing the von Willebrand factor A (vWFA) domain.

Did they miss something important diagnosing Hemopheliac's?
Please explain your reasoning behind this one. What's the connection between thyroid scans and von Willebrand factor A? I'm not following. But then again, I am pretty tired.
Pandora wrote: WE AIN'T THE ONLY ONES LOSING THIS WAR.
If the rate observed is representative and remains unchanged, these species would disappear from half of the habitats they currently occupy in about 20 years.
USGS Study Confirms U.S. Amphibian Populations Declining at Precipitous Rates
Released: 5/22/2013 4:59:00 PM
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.as ... aBQwUrVssI
And this is not due to Lyme disease but because humanity's industrial progress and dumping antibiotics into the watershed has messed with the ecosystem.

Welcome to 2013.

Stop reproducing and start walking and working at home if we have any hopes of saving any patch of wilderness.

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Tue 28 May 2013 3:21
by Camp Other
inmacdonald wrote:Borreliosis has long since eclipsed the medical category of Lyme disease.
Borreliosis is International and multi-specialtional.
Lyme is Simple, highly regulated, Definition limited, unsuitable for Garinii, Afzelii, Kurtenbackii,
Spielmanii, Mantovania, and most of all ____Borrelia Miyamotoi,_____which is now co-transmitted
by the Ixodid tick bite.
I had to have a cynical laugh about that one. If people weren't positive on Lyme disease serological tests in the first 4-6 weeks after getting infected, they at least had a chance of showing a positive response afterwards. But if people get infected with Borrelia miyamotoi? Good luck getting that diagnosis, when there's only a 10-15% chance of EM rash and its diameter is smaller than an EM rash and gee, Lyme disease serological tests will be negative, negative, negative in perpetuity. Or until they contract Lyme disease - which would suck on top of B. miyamotoi.

Ironically, the best way to diagnose it early on is precisely what people were chided about regarding early Lyme disease, and you as a pathologist know it: Take a blood sample from the person when they are feverish and feel like death and shove that blood sample under a microscope and look at it.
inmacdonald wrote: Lyme is highly politicized.
Lyme is always difficult to acquire, and easy to treat.

Borreliosis is easy to acquire and difficult to treat.

Lyme is never Chronic.
Borreliosis may be very ,very,very chronic.

Lyme is never Fatal.
Borreliosis may be fatal at the fetal, neuropsychiatric, Cerebral, Cardiac, presentations.
Yes, indeed. And documentation has been published making many different and opposing claims.
It's pissing me off, quite frankly.

Let me try and break it down:

"Lyme is highly politicized." - Yes. And why? WTF is going on and how did it start?

"Lyme is always difficult to acquire, and easy to treat." - Depends on where you were bitten and which pathogens the ticks are carrying. Dr. Ben Luft has provided evidence that some strains of Borrelia burgdorferi only lead to a rash and no other symptoms. These could be easy to treat while infections with other strains are not.

"Borreliosis is easy to acquire and difficult to treat." - Again, it depends where you were bitten and which pathogens the ticks are carrying. Coinfections can lead to synergistic effects and more intense symptom presentation. Host factors matter, such as the host mammal including human immune response and existing comorbidities, possibly genetic makeup (HLA-DR). And some strains of Borrelia burgdorferi can cause more symptoms and be more neurotropic; the "staging" of Lyme disease is relatively arbitrary as one can get neuroborreliosis rather early in infection even though people have somehow erroneously stated neuroborreliosis is a late stage presentation.

"Lyme is never Chronic." - Well, what does one mean by "chronic"? Or do we need to have the 20,000 argument about the meaning of the word? Chronic in Europe means late stage Lyme disease. People have had it a long time, whether they were untreated or undertreated.

"Borreliosis may be very ,very,very chronic." - Just ask Vicki Logan. Well, I would if I could, but Dr. Liegner will tell you all about it. Some people say she's an outlier, though, given her missing spleen. I'd say fine, just look at other case studies and tell me what was happening there, starting with Dr. Liegner's other case studies. And also, let's look at Dr. Barthold's persistence studies and even Dr. Bockenstedt's persistent amorphous globs. There's something there - patients aren't pretending they are ill.

"Lyme is never Fatal." - Most people who get Lyme disease and are treated early seem to get better and go back to work, not keel over and die. And that's what most people see and hear.

"Borreliosis may be fatal at the fetal, neuropsychiatric, Cerebral, Cardiac, presentations." - Yes, well, even the IDSA Lyme disease guidelines folks and their colleagues know this, and have a story about heartblock they could tell you which has been published. What the heck would have happened had that guy NOT gone to the ER? I shudder to think. And of course, your work as a pathologist has familiarized you with this disease intimately.

What more can I say?

Two sides of the same coin.

I think Pandora sees Lyme disease behind every condition and under every rock and around every corner. I can't make connections between Lyme disease and everything else, because there's evidence that other causes can be behind many conditions.

At the same time, yes, I think there are more cases of Lyme disease out there than are reported - many medical professionals and entomologists have said so, too. What's most concerning to me is how much doctors might be missing early Lyme disease and aren't treating it, even according to IDSA's early Lyme disease guidelines. And what's concerning to me is that we have no national strategy for dealing with neuroborreliosis and making it a separate, reportable condition as is done in some parts of Europe. We don't check intrathecal index. The assumption when someone has neurological symptoms and cognitive delays and fatigue is that the CNS is not directly affected, only indirectly affected.

But how can one be sure? And how can we be sure that some people who walk in that doctor's door without a rash but were bitten by an infected nymph and feel like crap aren't going to be automatically given a diagnosis of viral meningitis and to go home and sleep it off?

We can't be.

That's the problem, and why this disease is so damn uncomfortable for doctors, for everyone.

It's too complicated.

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Tue 28 May 2013 8:35
by Margherita
Thanks Camp Other, for your clear and objective comments.
"Lyme is highly politicized." - Yes. And why? WTF is going on and how did it start?
and why this disease is so damn uncomfortable for doctors, for everyone.
It's too complicated
It's too endemic*
It's too expensive

(*taken into consideration that ticks are not the only vectors
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12088398)

..... it seems it's out of our hands now.

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Wed 29 May 2013 7:57
by Pandora
Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce
Postby Camp Other » Mon 27 May 2013 18:52
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I guess you might have missed Dr. McD's plea for spirochetal focused autopsies. That is to which I was referring. I know pts. can get their own but the state and federal govt. must step up and start all over if we are going to stop the pandemic.
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Hypoperfusion can be caused by many different things. Citing your paper you link to, above, on page 6:
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Most Lyme pts. have Rouleaux but a machine does not tell them this and they never look unless the pt. is critical or a culture or biopsy is ordered. Which is rare these days. Sick cells cannot possibly function. But I was referring to the 99mTc Injections used for Spect scans visualizations.
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I'm sorry this young girl is crying and has a difficult time due to autism. However, posting this sad video has nothing to do with Lyme disease. And if it does, you haven't explained it.
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Sorry I thought you knew Prof. Montagnier had discovered not only HIV, but the real cause of AIDS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Ono_2m_8LY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRQ-NhEkLXU
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Please explain your reasoning behind this one. What's the connection between thyroid scans and von Willebrand factor A? I'm not following. But then again, I am pretty tired.
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They used adjuvants in vaccines such as squalene from sharks, Horseshoe crab blood, all kinds of assorted beasts junk DNA. I suspect it is also being exhibited sharing its genes in stealth.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.2845.pdf
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And this is not due to Lyme disease but because humanity's industrial progress and dumping antibiotics into the watershed has messed with the ecosystem.
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No actually it is caused by lyme disease. Amphibians and reptiles feed off of blood sucking mosquito's and assorted flys and larva that can all carry spirochetal disease.
And it is the cause of Bee Colony Collapse caused by using infected fecal waste for fertilizers on crops bee's frequent, and White Nose Bat syndrome who's main source of food is Blood sucking mosquito's.
And is is also killing the Martins and other mosquito eating species.
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I try to call it likes I see's it...Its not the War of the Roses....

Re: Borreliosis versus Lyme -Time for a Divorce

Posted: Wed 29 May 2013 17:55
by X-member
This is (in my eyes) not at all complicated. ;)

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tone ... TONEUJ.pdf

A quote from the link above:
The terms “late” and “chronic” Lyme disease, as in syphilis, are synonymous and define tertiary Lyme disease. The use of “chronic” Lyme disease as a different entity is inaccurate and confusing.
We all (in the whole world) just start to call it chronic (or late) Lyme BORRELIOSIS (see also Dr MacDonalds first post), instead. :roll:

And those people that talk about "something else" (when THEY talk about "chronic Lyme") start to call it "something else". :D


Edit to add:

Perhaps some people also need this information from EUCALB.

http://meduni09.edis.at/eucalb/cms_15/i ... &Itemid=38

A quote:
The three stages are named early localised LB, early disseminated LB and late (chronic) LB.