Never was nor will be one only infected with Borrelia

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Never was nor will be one only infected with Borrelia

Post by phantasm » Fri 17 Oct 2014 1:31

There never was nor will there be someone who is only infected with Borrelia. Pathogenic synergy resulting in increased virulence is the result of pathogenic symbiosis, multiple infections working together. To counter this you need to install an artificial immune system that isn't prone to infection, you need to provide the right nutrition to rebuild the natural immune system so it can assist in removing intracellular infections, it is only capable of assisting and you need to have treatments that have small enough molecules to penetrate tissues,bones and tumors to actually kill the pathogens.

That's what this is;

http://www.lyme-morgellons.com

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by duncan » Fri 17 Oct 2014 2:10

"There never was nor will there be someone who is only infected with Borrelia."

Well, the NIH xenodiagnostic study not withstanding, I have to call foul on this sweeping proclamation. But I will be the first to agree that the presence of co-infections in Bb patients has long since probably become the rule as opposed to the exception.

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by admin » Fri 17 Oct 2014 12:44

phantasm wrote:There never was nor will there be someone who is only infected with Borrelia.
If you make such bold claims as if you are stating facts, you are required to support them with scientific studies, particularly if you post this in the science-section.

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by phantasm » Fri 17 Oct 2014 22:59

The only way that you aren't carrying several infections is that you've lived your whole life in a space suit . If you've ever walked on the dirt barefoot , had a pet( pets acquire many infections that are insect vectored from laying in the grass), or kissed someone then you have infections. This is especially true for people who eat refined sugar because that tears down your immune system and is one reason why Candida is so rampant. Infections are passed from the mother at birth as well.

Our immune system is pretty awesome but just can't cope with these newly evolved microbes defense systems. You don't need a study to know this it is widely accepted in the medical and scientific literature, it is estimated that half of the worlds population is infected with Heliobacter Pylori alone.

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by Margherita » Fri 17 Oct 2014 23:13

If you make such bold claims as if you are stating facts, you are required to support them with scientific studies, particularly if you post this in the science-section.
Well admin, what about my test results?? Aren't these scientific evidence of what phantasm stated?

Besides Borrelia I've been tested positive for:
Chlamydia pneumoniae
Coxackie virus
Epstein Barr
Toxoplasmosis
Candida Albicans
and now I'm also dealing with staphyloccocus infection on a regular basis.

"there's no such thing as chronic Lyme disease"

Now that's a real bold claim, isn't it?!

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by admin » Fri 17 Oct 2014 23:29

phantasm wrote:The only way that you aren't carrying several infections is that you've lived your whole life in a space suit .
Ok. I am still left wondering how you previous post in this topic is on-topic.

If someone disagrees with statements of phantasm, don't hesitate to respond to them.

Margherita wrote:Well admin, what about my test results?? Aren't these scientific evidence of what phantasm stated?
No.

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by duncan » Fri 17 Oct 2014 23:46

Margherita, no one is disputing that co-infections happen with Borrelia. Or even that one can have Bartonella or Babesia without contracting Lyme.

What I disagreed with was the absolute nature of the proclamation, "There never was nor will there be someone who is only infected with Borrelia." Now, I will grant you I disagreed in the context of TBD's, because obviously our bodies are walking temples to germs of all sorts most if not all of the time.

But to state categorically that no one, ever, has been bitten by a tick and been infected solely by Borrelia is a stretch. No one has ever, anywhere, just been infected by Lyme after being bitten by a tick? Ever??

Is anything in medicine absolute?

These absolute claims devalue the subject, imo. That's all. That's why I tried to temper my concern with the suggestion that many if not most Lyme cases today do involve co-infections.

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by X-member » Sat 18 Oct 2014 0:14

phantasm wrote (earlier):
The only way that you aren't carrying several infections is that you've lived your whole life in a space suit
Are you telling us that every bacteria or virus (and so on) that we carry (inside or outside) make us sick and that we need treatment for everyone?

In that case I think I am very, very sick. ;)

I agree with admin, you need to prove what you claim with scientific studies.

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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by phantasm » Sat 18 Oct 2014 0:21

Margherita ...and that is only what they have the competency to test for. I recently posted here a study determining that 62% of patients tested in a rheumatoid study were infected with Bartonella, the thing is that was the most advanced testing facility in the world for Bart but there are still short comings because they have to have the DNA mapped to test for it and the Bart strains are in constant evolution as well as the Bartonella Like Organisms in the scientific literature that the DNA hasn't been mapped. So they should say 62% of the study subjects had mapped strains of Bartonella.


http://news.ncsu.edu/2012/04/bartonella-rheumatoid/

Lets just take the mouth as a port of entry. Something I would note is that , because I don't eat any refined sugar for one, I don't need to brush my teeth. I do brush my teeth but I would let you know that the stuff your brushing off of your teeth is bacterial biofilm, I don't have any.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/lab ... our-mouth/

"How bacteria sneak into your blood through your mouth"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_microbiology

"Oral bacteria include streptococci, lactobacilli, staphylococci, corynebacteria, and various anaerobes in particular bacteroides. The oral cavity of the new-born baby does not contain bacteria but rapidly becomes colonized with bacteria such as Streptococcus salivarius. With the appearance of the teeth during the first year colonization by Streptococcus mutans and Streptococcus sanguinis occurs as these organisms colonise the dental surface and gingiva. Other strains of streptococci adhere strongly to the gums and cheeks but not to the teeth. The gingival crevice area (supporting structures of the teeth) provides a habitat for a variety of anaerobic species. Bacteroides and spirochetes colonize the mouth around puberty."

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/food.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pa ... _of_humans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogenic_bacteria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycosis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_disease

I personally had been exposed and tested positive for "inactive" TB while in the Navy in the Phillipines because the official line was that everyone in that country has it.


You don't need a study , this is accepted as what IS if you bother to read the scientific literature.
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Re: B. burgdorferi infection and immune responses

Post by X-member » Sat 18 Oct 2014 0:32

phantasm wrote (earlier):
There never was nor will there be someone who is only infected with Borrelia.
The only infections that need to be treated are those infections that the body can not handle.

I still agree with admin, you need to prove what you claim with scientific studies.

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