B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

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inmacdonald
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B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by inmacdonald » Thu 11 Apr 2013 15:15

A patient's Chronicle
Born in Belgium
Infected in Europe
Brain swelling and mental decline in Adult life after moving to Los Angeles
No financial limits on diagnostic evaluations
No Correct diagnosis of LNB by USA physicians.
Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6djL18mf ... e=youtu.be

Commentary by Alan:
European Strains are Not detected in USA Testing.
God help those with Afzelli LNB or Garinii LNB or Myiamotoi LNB mengitis who reside in the USA

God help us all to break the IDSA strangle hold on Blood testing with B31 ONLY based reagents.

Chronic, Corroborated, sometimes fatal, sometimes Autopsied, many times disabling Lyme Neuroborreliosis, Carditis,

A spirochetal reign of terror

"We seek him here, We seek him there, the Frenchies seek him
everywhere. Is he in heaven? Is he in hell? That damned elusive Pimpernel !!"

Alan

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It's a Small Lyme World

Post by Bagge » Thu 11 Apr 2013 21:15

inmacdonald wrote:A patient's Chronicle
Born in Belgium
Infected in Europe
Brain swelling and mental decline in Adult life after moving to Los Angeles
No financial limits on diagnostic evaluations
No Correct diagnosis of LNB by USA physicians.
Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6djL18mf ... e=youtu.be
How do you know that she was infected in Europe?

She says that she is still sick. How do you know she had Lyme disease at all?

How do you know that her brain was "swelling"?

She claims that her doctor diagnosed her using a new "Lyme culture test". That's intriguing. Has that test gone through any validation? Is this the test?

She was also referred to the Florida clinic of Dr. Rick Sponaugle by their mutual friend Suzanne Somers. Dr. Sponaugle was discussed in the thread about Adam Lanza just days prior to the April 6, 2013 Lyme Research Alliance's Gala. He suspects Adam Lanza also had Lyme disease along with mold toxicity. Has he ever even met Adam Lanza? Reminds me of this one.

Dr. Sponagule has been plugging for Lyme disease activists for years, according to his Twitter account.

Small world.
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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by inmacdonald » Thu 11 Apr 2013 23:27

Dr. Bagge I presume?

Show us your credentials and licensure to Practice Medicine in ANY USA or European country.

Otherwise be advised that practicing medicine Without a License is a criminal offense.

Which is your personal circumstance?

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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by hv808ct » Thu 11 Apr 2013 23:32

by inmacdonald » Thu 11 Apr 2013 15:15
A patient's Chronicle
Born in Belgium
Infected in Europe
Brain swelling and mental decline in Adult life after moving to Los Angeles
No financial limits on diagnostic evaluations
No Correct diagnosis of LNB by USA physicians.
Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6djL18mf ... e=youtu.be

Commentary by Alan:
European Strains are Not detected in USA Testing.
God help those with Afzelli LNB or Garinii LNB or Myiamotoi LNB mengitis who reside in the USA

God help us all to break the IDSA strangle hold on Blood testing with B31 ONLY based reagents.

Chronic, Corroborated, sometimes fatal, sometimes Autopsied, many times disabling Lyme Neuroborreliosis, Carditis,

A spirochetal reign of terror

"We seek him here, We seek him there, the Frenchies seek him
everywhere. Is he in heaven? Is he in hell? That damned elusive Pimpernel !!"
Yes, this where I like to get my scientific and medical information: YouTube videos of reality television personalities.

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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by Bagge » Thu 11 Apr 2013 23:57

inmacdonald wrote:Dr. Bagge I presume?

Show us your credentials and licensure to Practice Medicine in ANY USA or European country.

Otherwise be advised that practicing medicine Without a License is a criminal offense.

Which is your personal circumstance?

Alan B.MacDonald MD
Where are your citations of where you allege this 'practice of medicine without a license' has occurred?

It would seem that a doctor who diagnoses patients without ever meeting or otherwise examining them is practicing on the dubious line indeed.

Shall we start a fund to add more FBI medical fraud investigators so as to put a stop to this nonsense right now before more patients get harmed.
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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by X-member » Fri 12 Apr 2013 0:17

From CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/ticks/diseases/abroad.html

A quote:
Additionally, tests in the U.S. will not necessarily detect European strains of Lyme disease. Additional information is available from the group, European Concerted Action on Lyme Borreliosis (EUCALB), regarding European Lyme disease serologic tests.

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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by radicale » Fri 12 Apr 2013 0:25

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Re: It's a Small Lyme World

Post by Camp Other » Fri 12 Apr 2013 0:26

inmacdonald wrote:A patient's Chronicle
Born in Belgium
Infected in Europe
Brain swelling and mental decline in Adult life after moving to Los Angeles
No financial limits on diagnostic evaluations
No Correct diagnosis of LNB by USA physicians.
Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6djL18mf ... e=youtu.be
I endeavor to make this tedious but brief (to paraphrase Shakespeare).
Bagge wrote: How do you know that she was infected in Europe?
How do YOU know that she WASN'T infected in Europe?
Bagge wrote: She says that she is still sick. How do you know she had Lyme disease at all?
How do YOU know she DIDN'T have Lyme disease at all? Did you examine her, take her history, get results of her serological tests, do rule-outs?
Bagge wrote: How do you know that her brain was "swelling"?
How do YOU know that her brain WASN'T "swelling" or that she had meningitis or some encephalopathy?

Did YOU sample her CSF and take MRIs/CT scans and see the results?

Did YOU give her a battery of neurological tests?

Do YOU have any data concerning her case?
Bagge wrote: She claims that her doctor diagnosed her using a new "Lyme culture test". That's intriguing. Has that test gone through any validation? Is this the test?
Whether her culture test was accurate or not is a separate issue from the fact of whether or not she contracted Lyme disease and got very sick. I didn't like Dr. Sponaugle's assessment of Adam Lanza after his death either, but whether she saw Dr. Sponaugle or not is still a separate issue from whether or not she actually contracted Lyme disease.

People can genuinely have Lyme disease and persisting symptoms related to it whether they see a doctor you disapprove of or not Bagge. The heart of the discussion and topic here is why did she get so sick and see so many doctors before getting a diagnosis of Lyme disease?

Your focus is on where she ended up seeking treatment - which you have made clear to many on this forum which doctors you do not like patients to see. But is it not a more important question to ask why - with money being no issue at all and with access to some of the best physicians in the world - that she did not get a diagnosis or treatment from any of them before seeing Dr. Sponaugle? I'd like to hear your answer to that question.
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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by Camp Other » Fri 12 Apr 2013 0:29

radicale wrote:1
Are you rating someone's post with 1 point? Or does this mean something else?

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Re: B31 Based diagnostic kits Fail with European Infections

Post by radicale » Fri 12 Apr 2013 0:32

Camp Other wrote:
radicale wrote:1
Are you rating someone's post with 1 point? Or does this mean something else?
Yes. Forgot the minus sign.

The level of discourse around here is deteriorating into childish dribble. Reading the obvious is getting tiresome. Why has it become impossible to state the obvious (ie. the title of this topic).

Just improve the tests already so that early confirmation is possible regardless of the strain you are infected with, otherwise the rise of the quacks will only be further quickened. Fixing this is possible and would be an enormous positive step .
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