Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidlines

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by hv808ct » Wed 11 Mar 2015 15:51

Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline
Post by duncan » Tue 10 Mar 2015 16:30

I know I sure feel better entrusting my disease to these people.
It’s not your disease.
by ChronicLyme19 » Tue 10 Mar 2015 17:03

The current guidelines hurt those of us who have underlying immune deficiencies, like IgG deficiencies or those who have been formally diagnosed with CVID. We get stuck with other persistent infections that need longer than average antibiotic use, so why would Lyme be an exception?

The guidelines need to be flexible enough to cover these complex areas.
Read about HIV and LD (, and search PubMed for the 4 or 5 similar case reports. Real immunodeficiencies are not an impediment to successful treatment of a bacterial infection.

The guidelines are for LD--not any and all underlying illnesses that may be coincident with a case of LD.

by duncan » Wed 11 Mar 2015 10:06

Maybe these comments will be available to the public as well, and others might be swayed or encouraged by what we have to say.
A summary response from the Panel to the comments received will be posted on the IDSA website following the close of the Comment Period. - See more at: ... LAVt6.dpuf

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by duncan » Wed 11 Mar 2015 16:03

hv808ct: "It is not YOUR disease."

Sure it is. Remember? Possession is nine-tenths of the law?

I just share it with thousands and thousands of co-owners.

But thanks for thinking of me anyway. :)

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by dlf » Wed 11 Mar 2015 21:44

As hv808ct pointed out.....
A summary response from the Panel to the comments received will be posted on the IDSA website following the close of the Comment Period.
Clearly the IDSA and friends have no intention of making public the actual contents of the comments they receive.

Could I make a suggestion? Everyone who submits comments should keep a copy of what they submitted. It could be very useful to have an independent record of the submissions.

Does anyone have a good connection to an organization or group that would want to/be willing to collect, tabulate and categorize the comments in order have them on record and to then make them public?

If so, it would be important to have this group start asking for copies of the submissions very soon, so they could be recorded.

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by ChronicLyme19 » Thu 12 Mar 2015 0:12

dlf wrote:Does anyone have a good connection to an organization or group that would want to/be willing to collect, tabulate and categorize the comments in order have them on record and to then make them public?

If so, it would be important to have this group start asking for copies of the submissions very soon, so they could be recorded.
I think The Mayday Project might take this up. They are encouraging people to post science and journal articles instead of just anecdotes. They are already prepping to meet with the IDSA president next week, a recap of their web meeting last night is here: ...

Maybe posted that as a suggestion on their fb page here:

I agree, it would be nice if we/someone could get a hold of all the comments and post them publicly.
Half of what you are taught is incorrect, but which half? What if there's another half missing?

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by duncan » Sun 15 Mar 2015 19:18

There could be a series of articles built around this process.

Collecting comments, and marrying those comments to the IDSA's respective responses to each it selects to address. Could be a scorecard approach: Grade the IDSA on how well it addressed the comments, how comprehensively, whether it was candid or disingenuous, whether it confronted each in a forthright manner, or instead dabbled in half-truths or worse...All of that.

Just as important might be comments the organization ignored or refused to answer. A lot can be inferred by what issues the agency skirts, too, and that also would be important to write about. For instance, what the association has to say about late stage diagnostic and treatment issues - if they downplay these, to have them called out for the implications, and challenged in major media, could be important.

A paper like The Poughkeepsie Journal, perhaps, or even better, several different journals take turns running with it. Better yet, get Reuters or the AP to embrace the concept. Is the IDSA indulging in semantics and sleight of hand with the health of citizens, or have they had it right all along? Do its positions really stand up under the weight of scrutiny? With 300,000 US citizens stricken each and every year, it's only a matter of time till YOUR family is impacted. That's a story line that could justify a lot of attention and command big sponsor $s.

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by dlf » Tue 7 Apr 2015 4:03

The deadline date to make submissions to the IDSA 2015 project is BEFORE April 9th, 2015.

The Ontario Lyme Alliance decided to create a "template" for others to draw ideas and information from: I am posting this in its entirety here for anyone who would like to use portions of it for their own comments submission.
It is posted below the following instructions.

Instructions if you use material from the Ontario Lyme Alliance "template":

This was written by members of the Ontario Lyme Alliance and has specific references to the OLA group or that are specific for people who are submitting comments who are affiliated with an organization or a group of people. This template version has these references to Ontario Lyme Alliance and mentions of "we" or "our" that are specific to our group, or a group (rather than an individual) in RED font instead of black. (I hope I got them all, so carefully read through any or all of the material that you are going to be using for your own submission to make sure that you have changed all the necessary details.) Any groups/organizations using this (or portions from this template), should change the name to your group/organization name and where appropriate delete information about the Ontario Lyme Alliance and replace it with suitable information about the organization that you are a member of that will be providing and making the submission. Individual patients (or caregivers) who are not affiliated with any organizations (or who are, but are making personal submissions) wanting to use this (or portions of it) will also need to change the "we"s and "our"s to "I" or "my" as needed.

Read the IDSA’s Lyme Disease Project Plan and decide what you want to say. Feel free to use those portions of the "template" material that reflect what you want to say. Much of the beginning relates to Canada and Canadian patients. If you are not submitting from Canada, you would most likely want to eliminate those portions, or possibly use what is happening in Canada as a contrast to the IDSA project plan, in which case you should create a section of your own to replace what is provided here, or just skip past it and don't use those sections. If you are submitting from another province in Canada, other than Ontario and have information about activities in your province in a similar vein, you may want to write a piece to add in.

The link to the IDSA website announcing the project plan is here: The link to the IDSA project plan pdf is on that page. ... 2212267305#

Create your comments in a word document. You can copy and paste from the template any material you want to include. The IDSA asks that you refer to the page and line numbers of whatever you are commenting on. (Such as: Page 9, line 103.) Remember to include page and line numbers from the IDSA project plan for any comments that you are going to make that you have written yourself and don't forget to copy the page and line numbers from the "template" if you are using the comments from it.

***Please note that you will need to submit your comments in one sitting. Therefore, you should review the plan and compose your remarks in a Word document. When you’re ready, copy and paste them into the comment field in the survey. If you follow these directions, the submission process should only take a few minutes.

Then, go to the IDSA comment form.
The link to the IDSA comments page submission form is here:

The first screen requires your name and other information. Fill in your information in question one. It does require all of the boxes to be filled in. They will require, first and last name, address info, e-mail address and an affiliation. If you don't have an organization or support group that you are affiliated with, put in patient or caregiver, whichever applies to you.

In question 2, check the first item indicating that you have no conflicts of interest (unless you actually do). Then click next.

The second screen is where you will add your comments. Copy and paste these from your word document.

When finished click save and submit. Your comments are then recorded and you will be bounced to the IDSA homepage.

"Please note that you will need to submit your comments in one sitting. Therefore, you should review the plan and compose your remarks in a Word document. When you’re ready, copy and paste them into the comment field in the survey. If you follow these directions, the submission process should only take a few minutes.

There are also other suggestions and some instructions for submitting comments to the IDSA for the project plan available from that also shows the first screen for the IDSA comments form and the information box that you will need to fill in. ... art-1.html

The IDSA asks that you refer to the page and line numbers of whatever you are commenting on. (Such as: Page 9, line 103.) Use the following references for comments on the general areas of the document:

Guidelines sponsors and organization representation: Page 1, lines 6-20

Guideline panel constitution and authors: Page 2, lines 1-50

Conflicts of interest: Pages 8-9, lines 116-126

PICO (Questions addressed) Pages 9-16, lines 127-278

We suggest that patients focus primarily on the lack of balance and representation on the panel, as well as conflicts of interest. Feel free to cut and paste from our suggested comments. You can of course modify them to suit your interests. Comment only on what is in the IDSA’s Lyme Disease Project Plan. There should be no personal attacks. If you can tell your personal story in a paragraph, feel free to add it after your comments.
Ontario Lyme Alliance IDSA Lyme Guidelines Comments Submission: (Template)

The Ontario Lyme Alliance (OLA) is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to the promotion of awareness and education about Lyme disease as well as other infections transmitted by ticks. For the past two years, we have been working to facilitate changes that are needed in public and physician education on ticks and Lyme disease. We have also been advocating for better testing, medical care and treatment options for Lyme patients in Ontario.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 3, lines 1-22)

In Canada, the Parliament of Canada has passed Bill C-442: An Act respecting a Federal Framework on Lyme Disease following lengthy and detailed hearings. This bill received Royal Assent on December 16th, 2014 and is now law. This enactment requires the Minister of Health to convene a conference with the provincial and territorial ministers responsible for health and with representatives of the medical community and patients’ groups for the purpose of developing a comprehensive federal framework to address the challenges of the recognition and timely diagnosis and treatment of Lyme disease.(1)

On November 27th, 2014, a motion was tabled in the Ontario Legislative Assembly which asked that the Minister of Health develop a provincial strategy for Lyme disease. This motion was read, debated and then carried unanimously by all three political parties on first reading. This motion specified that in developing the strategy, the minister should engage and consult with representatives of the health care community and patients’ groups, including the Ontario Medical Association, the Ontario College of Family Physicians, the Association of Local Public Health Agencies, the Ontario Lyme Alliance, the Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation, international scientific advisers and medical experts in the field of tick-borne diseases having diverse perspectives, workers’ organizations and veterinary associations, amongst others, and accept written submissions from Ontarians.(2)

These legislative acts were initiated in Canada because existing protocols have failed not only untold numbers of Canadians, but patients worldwide for decades. Therefore, although we would support a review of the IDSA Lyme guidelines if it were conducted by an independent body which could objectively evaluate the scientific evidence (or lack thereof) and the various positions being taken by all parties including organizations such as the IDSA, ILADS, other medical organizations, patient groups and a variety of other stakeholders, we do not support the IDSA's 2015 review process. Given the global spread and prevalence of tick-borne diseases, the participation of national and international scientific and medical experts with diverse perspectives and broad experience is an absolute necessity. Given the contentiousness of prior Lyme guidelines, a process that inherently promotes bias while excluding dissenting viewpoints is unacceptable.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 1, lines 1-20, Page 4, lines 23-40)

The IDSA has decided to produce a joint multi-society consensus guideline for the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of Lyme disease. However, given that the project has been designed to include organizations that previously endorsed the earlier guidelines and panel members with long-established biases while excluding others with divergent perspectives, it is difficult to give credence to either the process or the guidelines that will emerge.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 1, line 16)

The Canadian organization invited to participate in the 2015 panel, the Association of Medical Microbiology and Infectious Disease Canada (AMMI), endorsed the IDSA Lyme Guidelines in October 2011. At the time, they had 551 members of which 440 were in the Active Member category.(3) These Guidelines were endorsed by the AMMI Council and the Communications and Public Relations Committee which together totalled 22 members. It appears that this was by no means an open process. The review that was undertaken was not transparent and there does not appear to have been an opportunity for consideration, debate or consensus among all AMMI members. Whether AMMI members generally have knowledge of Lyme disease or an understanding of the controversy is unknown.

When AMMI announced their endorsement of the IDSA Lyme guidelines in 2011, their media release incorrectly stated, "The subsequent independent review that was initiated in 2008 by the Attorney-General of Connecticut reaffirmed all of the original IDSA guideline recommendations. This review panel included members of the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS)."(4) Since the composition of the review panel membership would have been a very simple fact to check, and AMMI did not verify it before publication, this causes concern with regard to the comprehensiveness and the quality of the review that was undertaken by AMMI for the Council and the Public Relations Committee to make the decision to endorse the 2006 IDSA guidelines.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 1, line 16 and page 2, line 17)

The most recent annual report available from AMMI (2013), showed that they had 611 total members, of which 436 were active.(5) In contrast, in 2013, there were 77,674 physicians in Canada.(6) It should be noted that both the Canadian Medical Association and the College of Family Physicians of Canada endorsed Bill C-442.(7) The AMMI cannot be deemed to represent the views of all Canadian physicians nor considered to be unbiased about Lyme disease. The panelist who will represent the AMMI in the 2015 Lyme Guidelines project, Dr. Bowie, has expressed his biases in government hearings and interviews and they are a matter of public record. Canadians place a high value on the sustainability of our public healthcare system. Having ever growing numbers of patients with chronic disabilities due to late-diagnosed, undiagnosed and diagnosed but unresolved tick-borne diseases will continue to put unnecessary strains on an already burdened healthcare system. The AMMI endorsement and public advocacy for the IDSA Lyme Guidelines seems misplaced when considering the long-term healthcare needs of Canadian residents and Canadian Lyme disease patients.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 5, line 61 through page 9, line 129)

Given the important role that clinical practice guidelines play in many aspects of health care, it is imperative that these guidelines be free of industry influence and be viewed by clinicians, policy makers, patients, and others as objective and trustworthy. To address this issue, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies (IOM) published, "Clinical Practice Guidelines We Can Trust: Standards for Developing Trustworthy Clinical Practice Guidelines (CPGs)" in 2011.(8)

To determine whether the guidelines which will be produced as a result of the 2015 Lyme Guidelines project will ultimately be viewed as objective and trustworthy, it is important to examine the IOM standards that are currently evaluable and assess whether they are likely to be fulfilled using the process that has been outlined. Compliance with some of the IOM standards will not be evaluable until after a draft of the proposed Lyme guidelines has been issued.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 1 lines 6-9) (Page 2 lines 1-48)

The Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), the American Academy of Neurology (AAN) and the American College of Rheumatology (ACR) are jointly listed as organizational sponsors. Sponsorship would normally imply that these organizations are co-funding the project although funding is not specifically set out in the plan. According to the IOM Standard 2.4, "Funders should have no role in CPG development." However, in the case of this Lyme disease Project Plan, funders designed the plan, designated co-chairs that included a member from each sponsorship organization, designated two members from each organization for the Conflict of Interest (COI) Review Group and recruited the panel members, many of whom represent those same organizations. Clearly the funders will have an extensive and very direct role in the development of these guidelines which contravenes IOM Standard 2.4.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 8, lines 122-123) (page 2, lines 3-11)

In Standard 2.4, the IOM also states, "The chair or co-chairs should not be a person(s) with COI." The Project Plan also states, "The COI review group ensured that the majority of the panel and each co-chair was without potential conflicts (noted in Table 1) and the panel was approved." It is extremely difficult to give credence to the COI review group's statement. We have particular concerns regarding two of the named co-chairs with regard to their potential conflicts of interest. Another of the co-chairs appears to have less potential for conflicts of interest, but may still be perceived as problematic, considering that co-chairs should be free of any and all conflicts of interest.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 8, lines 122-123) (Page 2, lines 4-5)

It is not possible that Dr. Bockenstedt, with eight research grants/contracts from NIH/NIAID and NIH/NIAMS related either directly or indirectly to Lyme pathogenesis, diagnostics, vaccine development, Babesia treatment and immunology research can be perceived as not having potential conflicts of interest for this Lyme guidelines project. Two of these projects, which list her as the Project Leader over their three and five year histories, have been provided with more than three million dollars to date.( 9)(10) Several of the other projects listed have been undertaken in collaboration with L2 Diagnostics LLC, a privately held company with a close association to the Yale School of Medicine. According to Bloomberg Business, the company's line of business includes providing commercial physical and biological research and development.(11) Beneficial self-interests and many potential conflicts with these research grants and commercial collaborative ties are obvious. Even if the personal financial benefits that might be associated with these activities were found to be limited, Dr. Bockenstedt's vested interests with regard to commercial, non-commercial and institutional benefits are sufficient to undermine public confidence in the guideline process. In addition, she is one of six panelists recruited for this 2015 Lyme Project who were also authors on the 2006 Lyme Guidelines. The appointment of panelists who served on previous guidelines panels means those members come to the table with a vested interest in maintaining both the current case definition and most, if not all, of the prior recommendations by virtue of their prior publications.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 8, lines 122-123) (Page 2, lines 8-9)

Dr. Lantos appears to have less potential for conflicts of interest according to his submitted statement of COI. However, Dr. Lantos was a co-author of the 2010 Final Report of the Lyme Disease Review Panel of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), and has co-authored a number of more recent Lyme related "systematic review", review and opinion articles. Therefore, he certainly is perceived as not being free of conflicts of interest and should not serve as a co-chair on this panel due to a vested interest in the outcome by virtue of prior publications.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 8, lines 122-123) (Page 2, lines 10-11)

Dr. Rumbaugh's position as a co-chair on the panel is suspect due to conflicts of interest by virtue of his four grants/contracts with pharmaceutical companies studying medications for multiple sclerosis (MS). In many areas of the world, and particularly in Canada, Lyme disease has had little recognition, is rarely tested for in patients with neurological symptoms (and when tested for, only serology tests of limited reliability are used). Whereas multiple sclerosis is highly prevalent but Lyme is virtually unrecognized, it appears to patients that MS is a diagnosis that is too often mistakenly made for patients with late-stage Lyme disease. This co-chair is involved in MS drug research studies directly funded by several companies that profit from selling high value, long-term medications to patients with MS. The appropriateness of Dr. Rumbaugh's appointment as co-chair for guidelines that will provide diagnostic and treatment recommendations for neuroborreliosis and late-stage Lyme patients is considered highly questionable. Guidelines are needed that will help ensure patients are properly diagnosed and treated before Lyme disease is allowed to progress to a stage where CNS demyelination becomes a manifestation.(12) (13) (14)

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 3, lines16-20) (Page 8, lines 116 through Page 9, line 129)

Because there are three co-chairs who appear to have a number of unacknowledged conflicts of interest, an additional concern is that there are more panel members who also have conflicts of interest, and that they form a larger component of the panel than has been publicly accounted for. Even if these COI declarations were perceived by the COI Review Group as inconsequential, the public recognizes their potential for tainting the objectivity of the guideline recommendations. Full transparency should have been provided for all the panelists who have conflicts of interest. The three co-chairs have very clear and undeniable potential for conflicts of interest and therefore should be exchanged for panel members who do not. In addition, all panel members should be recused from drafting and voting on recommendations that are related to their conflicts of interest. We ask that this transparency be provided, that co-chairs be appointed who are genuinely free of potential conflicts of interest, and that panel members with applicable conflicts of interest be excluded from drafting and voting on related recommendations.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 23, Table 1) (Page 9, lines 125-129)

We did not do a search of the other panelists' COI declarations. However, it was disturbing to incidentally discover that one panel recruit is a co-inventor on a patent application that was not listed in the declaration in Table 1.(15) This does not inspire confidence in the integrity of the process, the panel or the COI Review Group.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 2, lines 13-40) (Page 8, lines 116 through Page 9, line 129)

As well as the co-chair, another five panelists also co-authored the 2006 IDSA Lyme Guidelines. Two of those panelists also served on the Lyme guidelines panel in 2000. Two co-authors of the AAN 2007, Practice parameter: treatment of nervous system Lyme disease were also recruited again for 2015; one of whom was also a co-author of the AAN 1996 guidelines. (Halperin J, Logigian E, Finkel M, Pearl R. Practice parameters for the diagnosis of patients with nervous system Lyme borreliosis (Lyme disease). Neurology 1996;46:619–627). Dr. Steere was also a co-author of the 1997 American College of Physicians clinical guideline: Guidelines for Laboratory Evaluation in the Diagnosis of Lyme Disease. (16) The objectivity of these panel members while undertaking literature reviews is called into question by virtue of their prior publications, and the likelihood that they will be reviewing studies and research that they, or close associates, may have been personally involved in.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 2, lines 13-40) (Page 8, lines 116 through Page 9, line 129) and (Pages 17-25)

If the sponsoring organizations concluded that participants with conflicts of interest are essential to provide the necessary expertise, they should have demonstrated to the public that they made an effort in good faith, but were unsuccessful in finding individuals with the required expertise and without conflicts of interests. There was no apparent effort made to find less conflicted members when these panelists were selected. Additionally, Section 2.3 of the IOM standards states that, "Members of the GDG should divest themselves of financial investments they or their family members have in, and not participate in marketing activities or advisory boards of entities whose interests could be affected by CPG recommendations." It is not clear from Table 1, or elsewhere in the project plan, whether this has been enforced on panel members.

(IDSA Project Plan: Page 4, lines 23-40)

Standard 3 of the IOM publication states, "The GDG should be multidisciplinary and balanced, comprising a variety of methodological experts and clinicians, and populations expected to be affected by the CPG. Patient and public involvement should be facilitated by including (at least at the time of clinical question formulation and draft CPG review) a current or former patient and a patient advocate or patient/consumer organization representative in the GDG. Strategies to increase effective participation of patient and consumer representatives, including training in appraisal of evidence, should be adopted by GDGs."

This co-sponsored 2015 LD project plan has demonstrated a clear lack of balance by not including the very important populations who will be most affected by the CPG: Lyme disease patients (particularly the patients, who after guidelines recommended treatments are used, continue to be debilitated with chronic symptoms and very possibly chronic disease), the physicians and other healthcare professionals who treat and manage patient care and the moderate-minded researchers undertaking new avenues of study. The choice of a "consumer user" who has no experience with Lyme disease shows poor judgement and a complete lack of respect for the patients these guidelines are intended to serve. It also indicates yet another distinct lack of regard for the integrity of the guideline development process itself. The person who was chosen has never had Lyme disease and has no experience or knowledge of the issues affecting Lyme patients. Therefore, she has been inappropriately chosen to be a "consumer user" on the panel. Patient representatives on the panel should be legitimately regarded by members of the Lyme community as individuals who can effectively represent their interests.

The Institute of Medicine not only says that guideline panels should include populations expected to be affected by the Clinical Practice Guidelines, but also that there should be two patient representatives. One specifically is to be a patient organization representative or patient advocate. In order to restore a measure of integrity and public confidence in this guideline process, this IOM regulation must be observed and two appropriate Lyme disease patient representatives must be included as panelists along with one independent "Lyme literate" physician who regularly provides medical care for Lyme disease patients when recommended treatment has been ineffective.

(IDSA Project Plan: No page reference-transparency was not provided for this topic.)

According to the Standard 7 of Developing Trustworthy Clinical Practice Guidelines by the Institute of Medicine (IOM), " External reviewers should comprise a full spectrum of relevant stakeholders, including scientific and clinical experts, organizations (e.g., health care, specialty societies), agencies (e.g., federal government), patients, and representatives of the public" and that " The GDG should consider all external reviewer comments and keep a written record of the rationale for modifying or not modifying a CPG in response to reviewers’ comments." Standard 7.4 further states, "A draft of the CPG at the external review stage or immediately following it (i.e., prior to the final draft) should be made available to the general public for comment." However, the IDSA announcement of the LD Project Plan and public comment period ending April 9th notes only that, "After a draft of the full guideline is developed, it will also be posted on the IDSA website for a 30-day public comment period."

It is unclear if this post-draft public comment period will constitute an "external review" in compliance with IOM Standard 7, with all comments being duly considered, along with a written record kept of the rationale for modifications, or lack thereof, in response to the reviewer's comments. We would like clarification as to whether there will be a separate external review comprising a full spectrum of relevant stakeholders in keeping with the IOM Standard and whether the draft that will be supplied for the public comment period will be open to modification before a final draft is issued. We would also like to know what will be done with public comments submitted after the draft has been made available, whether they are going to be considered in the writing of the final guidelines, or whether this will simply be a pro forma (but ultimately useless and meaningless) exercise.

(IDSA Project Plan: PICO (Questions addressed) Pages 9-16, lines 127-278)

Rather than providing comments on questions that will be posed to the panel outlined in the LD Project Plan, we are submitting questions we would like to be included and answered by panel members during the current Lyme guidelines review process.
NOTE: (Separate references for these questions are provided below the references for OLA submission comments.)

Some research has been undertaken towards understanding the role of Borrelia genospecies and strain diversity for infectability and disease pathogenesis.1,2 Species and strain variation have also been recognized as factors affecting diagnostics,3,4 but it appears that the varied potential for immune evasion and/or host tissue damage 5,6,7,8 by differing strains has not been well-examined.

It is now understood that some strains of Borrelia are highly pathogenic and invasive while other strains do not disseminate further into blood and other tissues resulting only in an erythema migrans rash. This means an unknown number of patients diagnosed with Lyme solely on the basis of erythema migrans rashes could have been "cured" with water, or with time. When the treatment trials for early acute Lyme were undertaken, strain variability was unknown and was not considered as a factor that would affect treatment efficacy results. What effect did strain variability have on the accuracy of research results and the derived statistics related to the efficacy of antibiotic treatments for early Lyme disease which continue to be used to show that Lyme disease can be "easily" cured in the early stages with recommended treatment protocols?

Do different species and strains of Borrelia have varied abilities to evade antibiotics and/or human immune responses?
Do different species and strains of Borrelia have varied abilities to express BBHtrA causing variable levels of damage to host tissues?
Do different species and strains of Borrelia have varied abilities to elicit the production of cytokines and chemokines in human hosts?
Do different species and strains of Borrelia have varied abilities to cause immune dysregulation or dysfunction in human hosts?
Do some genospecies and strains (or combinations of strains) have a greater propensity to develop persister cell phenotypes than other strains of Borrelia?
If Borrelia species/strain variability is a factor that creates varied levels of damage in patients, how should this affect recommendations for treatment modalities?
If Borrelia species/strain variability is a factor that creates varied difficulty with clearing human infection, how should this affect recommendations for treatment modalities?

Some research has been undertaken towards understanding the role of genetic polymorphisms and other factors in human sub-populations that could possibly affect an individual patient's ability to clear infections (immune dysregulation/compromise), promote auto-immunity, exacerbate the expression of Lyme disease manifestations and/or enhance host susceptibility to disseminated Lyme disease. 9,10,11,12,13 While it seems that some of these avenues of research are likely to provide some answers for more effective treatment options for some sub-populations of patients eventually, there is much more research that needs to be done. Most research undertaken to date has relied on hosts being immunocompetent and seropositive to two-tier testing. This has meant that certain sub-populations especially those with CVID or those that have reduced immune function due to co-morbidities or treatments, (i.e. diabetes, chemotherapy, corticosteroids, etc.), have not been studied to determine treatment efficacy.

Which sub-populations of patients are suspected to be at greater risk for enhanced host susceptibility to disseminated Lyme disease?
Which sub-populations of patients have been determined to be at greater risk for enhanced host susceptibility to disseminated Lyme disease?
Which sub-populations of patients are suspected to be at greater risk for having increased difficulties clearing Borrelia infections?
Which sub-populations of patients have been determined to be at greater risk for having increased difficulties clearing Borrelia infections?
Which sub-populations of patients are suspected to be at greater risk for having remaining symptoms, sequelae and relapses after recommended treatment for Lyme disease?
Which sub-populations of patients have been determined to be at greater risk for having remaining symptoms, sequelae and relapses after recommended treatment for Lyme disease?
What testing is available to clinicians to determine whether their individual patients would be more at risk from a Borrelia infection due to having a genetic polymorphism?
What testing is available to clinicians to determine whether their individual patients would be more at risk from a Borrelia infection due to other factors?
Would testing for these polymorphisms or other factors be practicable, if they were available to clinicians?
If individual patients are suspected of being members of a sub-population that have a greater risk for enhanced host susceptibility, greater risk for having increased difficulties clearing Borrelia infections, or greater risk for having remaining symptoms, sequelae and relapses after recommended treatment for Lyme disease, how should this affect recommendations for treatment modalities?

Treatments have not been adequately researched that could moderate auto-immune effects and cytokine production in Lyme disease patients where immuno-suppressives would be contraindicated. Some research has been undertaken regarding the use of macrolide antibiotics for a variety of bacterial infections.14,15 In recent years, it has been established that in addition to antimicrobial activity, a number of antibiotics have significant effects on human cellular immune function. Such properties of antibiotics may have clinical significance for modulation of the immune response in patients, especially those who are immunodeficient, and in inflammatory diseases. Additionally, in vitro studies have recently been done and results suggested that treatment with a combination of antibiotics may be more efficacious for eradicating Borrelia persisters, although further research in animals and in humans will be needed to determine safety and efficacy results in vivo.16

When individual patients have remaining symptoms, sequelae or relapses after recommended treatment, are there circumstances that would suggest the use of alternate or combinations of antibiotics for either their antibiotic or immune modulating effects?
Will panelists who regularly treat Lyme disease patients outline their usual treatment protocols, especially where they may diverge from prior Lyme disease guidelines recommendations?17

(Further submission comments: PICO questions provided by Ontario Lyme Alliance)

There are currently many unknowns with regard to human borreliosis infections and their effects on human sub-populations. To state the obvious, many patients have less than adequate responses and results with the currently recommended treatments. Given that it is widely acknowledged that additional research will be critical to answering these questions, we believe to have the recommendations from past guidelines re-issued again at this juncture would be contrary to the evidential science, counter-productive and irresponsible.

Accordingly, if it is found that there are insufficient research findings to answer the above questions when the Lyme guidelines are reviewed, we would recommend:

that additional treatment options should be included within the guidelines where possible; and

that it be emphasized within the guidelines that further research on additional treatment options is necessary; and

that healthcare providers are encouraged to use physician judgement in treating individual patients. We would urge that an individual guideline recommendation be included, in addition to a disclaimer similar to that in the 2006 Guidelines, indicating that healthcare providers are encouraged to use their professional judgement in treating individual patients and do have latitude to use their discretion. i.e. "It is important to realize that guidelines cannot always account for individual variation among patients. They are not intended to supplant physician judgment with respect to particular patients or special clinical situations. The Infectious Diseases Society of America considers adherence to these guidelines to be voluntary, with the ultimate determination regarding their application to be made by the physician in the light of each patient’s individual circumstances.”

(Further submission comments: IDSA Project Plan: Page 6, line 62 through page 8, line 115)

The Ontario Lyme Alliance believes in the principles of Evidence Based Medicine (EBM). In 1996, David Sackett and colleagues clarified the definition of evidence-based medicine as "the conscientious, explicit and judicious use of current best evidence in making decisions about the care of individual patients. ... [It] means integrating individual clinical expertise with the best available external clinical evidence from systematic research." (17) Evidence-based medicine applies population-based data to the care of an individual patient, while respecting the fact that practitioners have clinical expertise reflected in effective and efficient diagnosis and thoughtful identification and compassionate use of individual patients' predicaments, rights, and preferences.

Research generally focuses on populations, but individual persons can vary substantially from population norms and certain population segments have been historically under-researched (racial minorities and people with co-morbid diseases and conditions). Unfortunately, with Lyme disease, the quality and quantity of empirical medical evidence is sadly lacking. This suggests that the knowledge gained from clinical research does not directly answer the primary clinical question for a physician of what is best for that particular patient facing them.

Ultimately, clinical practice guidelines should be providing physicians and their patients with treatment options. As explained by Johnson and Stricker, "Failure to disclose treatment options violates the principles of patient autonomy and informed consent, which require that treatment options should be disclosed to patients and that treatment decisions should be made with the patient's informed consent. Treatment guidelines should not inhibit patient access to treatment options; rather, guidelines should describe treatment options and default to the clinical judgment of treating physicians in order to maximize the ability of patients to get well."(18)

The co-sponsored LD Project Plan process for 2015 (as written) was crafted to ensure that consensus will be achieved, not by careful deliberation, but by excluding opposing viewpoints. Alternate perspectives provided by Lyme disease patients, and others who will be most affected by the CPG, will be needed to make certain that all relevant research is considered. Creating a Project Plan that excludes divergent views demonstrates a lack of confidence in the evidential science that will form the underpinnings for the resulting guidelines. If the scientific evidence truly supports the recommendations that are to be derived through the process, it should stand on its own under a full and open examination that includes input from diverse perspectives.

The IDSA 2015 Project Plan, as it stands now, will ultimately produce Lyme disease guidelines which will be considered as controversial and contentious as its predecessors. If the true purpose of the panel is to produce unbiased, evidence-based and comprehensive Lyme guidelines to serve the people they are intended to help, Lyme patients, our physicians and the public, we respectfully ask that our comments be taken to heart and our requests acted upon.

References for Ontario Lyme Alliance submission comments:

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(2) Legislative Assembly of Ontario
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4R33AI100191-03 Contact PI / Project Leader: BOCKENSTEDT, LINDA K
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Project Number: 5R01AI085798-05 Contact PI / Project Leader: BOCKENSTEDT, LINDA K
Total project funding amount for 5 projects is $2,112,424*
* Only NIH,CDC,and FDA funding data.

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(15) U.S.Patent Application #20130302329 ... 302329.php

Diagnostic tests for immune reactivity with human endothelial cell growth factor
The present invention provides for methods and compositions for identifying and detecting autoantigens. Candidate autoantigens are identified by obtaining a subject sample from which HLA-DR-presented peptides are collected and identified using mass spectometry, then synthesized and reacted with the same subject peripheral blood or effected tissue. In particular, the present invention provides for endothelial cell growth factor as a novel autoantigen biomarker for Lyme disease-associated arthritis.

USPTO Applicaton #: #20130302329 - Class: 4241341 (USPTO) - 11/14/13 - Class 424
Inventors: Allen C. Steere, Elise Drouin, Catherine Costello, Robert Seward

This application claims the benefit of U.S. Provisional Application No. 61/348,733, filed Sep. 21, 2010, and incorporated fully herein by this reference.

This invention was made with Federal funding under grants AR-20358, P41 RR10888, S10 RR15942, S10 RR20946 and Contract N01 HV28178, awarded by the National Institutes of Health. The U.S. Government has certain rights in the invention.

The present invention provides for methods and compositions for identifying and detecting humoral and cellular autoimmune responses to disease-related autoantigens. In particular, the present invention provides for a novel autoantigenic biomarker, endothelial cell growth factor, for Lyme disease-associated arthritis.

(16) American College of Physicians Clinical Guideline: Guidelines for Laboratory Evaluation in the Diagnosis of Lyme Disease. Ann Intern Med. 1997:127:1106-1108.
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Priority date Jan 20, 2012
Inventors Theresa M. RUSSELL, Barbara J.B. JOHNSON
Applicant The Government Of The United States Of America As Represented By The Secretary Of The Department Of Health And Human Services, Centers For Disease Control And Prevention

[0002] Generally described herein are compositions and methods of the present invention relating to detection, diagnosis and/or treatment of Lyme disease, also known as Lyme borreliosis. Specifically described are compositions and methods of the present invention relating to B. burgdorferi HtrA sensu lato (BbHtrA) protease activity, its substrates, cleavage products, biological effects and use in detection, diagnosis and/or treatment of Lyme disease.

8. Geeta Ramesh, Andrew G. MacLean and Mario T. Philipp. Cytokines and Chemokines at the Crossroads of
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10. Marije Oosting, Anneleen Berende, Patrick Sturm, Hadewych J. M. ter Hofstede, Dirk J. de Jong, Thirumala-Devi Kanneganti, Jos W. M. van der Meer, Bart-Jan Kullberg, Mihai G. Netea, and Leo A. B. Joosten. Recognition of Borrelia burgdorferi by NOD2 Is Central for the Induction of an Inflammatory Reaction. J Infect Dis. (2010) 201 (12): 1849-1858 doi:10.1086/652871
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11. Bramwell KKC, Teuscher C, Weis JJ. Forward genetic approaches for elucidation of novel regulators of Lyme arthritis severity. Frontiers in Cellular and Infection Microbiology. 2014;4:76. doi:10.3389/fcimb.2014.00076.

"Thus, the identification of genes important in Lyme arthritis also illuminated previously unrecognized pathways in RA. This linkage to a gene associated with Sly syndrome, an overt congenital lysosomal storage disease (LSD), strongly implicated a common pathogenic mechanism involving accumulation of undigested glycosaminoglycans (Tomatsu et al., 2009). This possibility was confirmed by detection of pronounced Alcian blue staining of sulfated GAGs in the inflamed joint tissues of B. burgdorferi infected and K/BxN treated mice with partial or severe Gusb deficiencies (Figure ​(Figure5).5). The association of Gusbh with increased disease severity in both Lyme-associated and rheumatoid arthritis identifies Gusb as a shared immunopathology disease gene (Teuscher, 1985; Sudweeks et al., 1993; Ma et al., 2002).

The novelty of the beta-Glucuronidase polymorphism highlights the power and added value of forward genetic approaches. Gusb is most often cited in the recent scientific literature as a housekeeping gene, primarily used as a reference to study something more interesting, making it a most unlikely candidate for a hypothesis-driven reverse genetics study. Allelic variants of the Gusb gene were found not to be differentially expressed under baseline conditions, and no changes in Gusb expression were detected by microarray analysis of joint tissue from naïve and infected C3H and B6 mice (Crandall et al., 2006; Bramwell et al., 2014). Thus, Gusb and other similar genes associated with LSD are not likely to be picked up by a microarray or RNA-Seq study in Lyme arthritis patients. Gusb was also not included in the ImmunoChip used in human RA and juvenile RA studies, because it had not yet been identified as a potential regulator (Eyre et al., 2012; Hinks et al., 2013).

More recently, Steere and colleagues have confirmed the association of two Class II alleles (DRB1*0101 and 0401) for the subgroup of patients with treatment refractory Lyme disease but not in the larger group of patients that respond to antibiotic treatment, and have proposed an auto-immune mechanism in this treatment refractory group (Steere et al., 2006; Drouin et al., 2013).

A number of investigators found association of MHC haplotypes with antibody recognition of individual B. burgdorferi antigens using MHC congenic mouse lines. However, use of MHC congenics in our studies and in those of other investigators led to the conclusion that MHC alleles were not determinants for the differences in arthritis severity found 4 weeks following infection in C3H-H2k, C57BL/6-H2b, and DBA-H2d mice (Yang et al., 1992; Brown and Reiner, 2000). Thus, studies with mice are consistent with patient studies failing to show association with early Lyme arthritis. Interestingly, mice expressing the H2k allele do not develop collagen-induced arthritis, a contrast with their development of severe Lyme arthritis (Wooley et al., 1981).

Identification of TLR1/TLR2 in the host response to B. burgdorferi in humans and mice

Early seminal studies into the host-pathogen interaction of B. burgdorferi revealed the potential of the spirochete and its lipoproteins to induce inflammatory cytokine production in a variety of human and mouse cell types (Radolf et al., 1991; Wooten et al., 1996; Sellati et al., 1998). The association of NF-κB with these inflammatory responses directed numerous laboratories to investigate the involvement of Toll-like receptors as these molecules were discovered as central components of inflammatory responses to microbial pathogens (Wooten et al., 1996; Sellati et al., 1998). These studies documented the interactions between B. burgdorferi lipoproteins with TLR2 and TLR1, both with mouse knock-out and cell culture transfection studies and in patients, and established a critical role for TLR signaling through MyD88 in host defense to this pathogen (Aliprantis et al., 1999; Brightbill et al., 1999; Hirschfeld et al., 1999, 2000; Alexopoulou et al., 2002). More recent studies by Schroder et al. identified a human variant in TLR2, Arg753Gln, with reduced pro-inflammatory signaling in patient samples (Schroder et al., 2005). Cells from mice heterozygous for this variant also displayed reduced inflammatory responses to B. burgdorferi lysate. Notably, this TLR2 allele was significantly underrepresented within a cohort of late stage Lyme disease patients, suggesting that it has a protective effect.

Oosting et al. found that N248S and S602I polymorphisms in TLR1 were associated with reduced in vitro responsiveness to B. burgdorferi and TLR1/TLR2 agonist stimulation (Oosting et al., 2011a). Using a similar experimental approach, the same group also reported that peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) for individuals bearing an IL-23R Arg381Gln polymorphism exhibited a reduced Th17 response following in vitro stimulation with B. burgdorferi (Oosting et al., 2011b). However, there was no association between the IL-23R polymorphism and the persistence of symptoms among patients in the study population, arguing against a role for this SNP in disease pathogenesis.

Strle et al. recently described the frequency and impact of several polymorphisms in the TLR1 gene within a cohort of Lyme disease patients (Strle et al., 2012). This study found a skewed inheritance pattern of TLR1 1805GG polymorphisms within an antibiotic-refractory Lyme arthritis patient population. They also recognized a synergy between inheritance of this host polymorphism and infection with a particular invasive isolate (termed RST1) of B. burgdorferi. Importantly, patients carrying TLR1 1805GG exhibited higher serum levels of CXCL9 and CXCL10 chemokines, consistent with a functional role for this polymorphism. This effect was reproduced through in vitro activation of PBMCs with a B. burgdorferi RST1 isolate, arguing that heightened production of these IFNγ-inducible chemokines may set the stage for antibiotic refractory arthritis."

12. M. Ahmed, N. Zlotnikov, A. Arya, M. Parikh, J. Gananam, R. Ebady, A. Bansal, A. Koh, F. Lakschevitz, A. Javid, M.C. Lima, T. Tang, Y.R. Kim, F. Matar, C. Sun, M. Santana-Sosa, I. Talior-Volodarsky, N. Gupta, P. Song, G. Wormser, I. Schwartz, C.A. McCulloch, M. Glogauer, T.J. Moriarty. Obese Mice have Higher Numbers of Lyme Disease Spirochetes in Tissues. International Conference on Lyme Borreliosis. Boston, MA, United States. Aug. 18-21, 2013.

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"4. Role of diet-induced obesity in enhanced host susceptibility to disseminated Lyme disease
Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne disease in the northern hemisphere, and its incidence is increasing rapidly throughout the industrialized world (nearly a three-fold increase over the last twenty years). Although climate warming and associated expansion of tick habitat are thought to contribute to increasing Lyme disease incidence, the reasons for the rising prevalence of this disease are not yet fully understood. Increasing Lyme disease incidence has occurred in parallel with rising rates of obesity in the industrialized world. One of the major groups affected by Lyme disease is the middle-aged, in whom obesity and associated conditions such as diabetes and cardiovascular disease are now widely prevalent. We recently found that high fat diet-induced obesity in mice is associated with a significantly elevated bacterial burden in many tissues to which Borrelia disseminates. Currently, we are investigating the mechanisms responsible for enhanced Borrelia infectivity in obese hosts, and are examining the effects of hyperglycemia and systemic vascular inflammation to disseminated Lyme disease."

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Edited to add BEFORE April 9th - Thank you, Duncan!
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Post by duncan » Tue 7 Apr 2015 22:24

Thank you, dlf, for posting all that. It's a great deal of help. I want to point out that I THINK submissions have to be in by end of day April 8th. The wording makes me a little concerned about waiting last minute till the 9th, as that may be too late.

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Post by dlf » Tue 7 Apr 2015 23:44


I am sure you are right about getting comments into the IDSA BEFORE April 9. I guess I was just pooped when I posted the "template". We have been telling people here to get them in before the 9th, and the way it is written in the original announcement it doesn't specify a deadline time ie. April 8, at 11:59pm.

So get busy everyone......if you haven't done so yet, you have one more day to submit your comments!

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Post by ChronicLyme19 » Wed 8 Apr 2015 3:13

Not sure where the best place to put this was line-wise, but I think they'll get my intention. My main point was to get across the subset of CVID/immunodeficient patients' viewpoint needs to be represented.

PAGE 2, LINES 13-40: I object that a profession immunology society is not represented, such as the American Board of Allergy & Immunology. Immunology experts with experience treating Lyme disease should be included because:

1) The large subset of patients with CVID and persistent borreliosis or post treatment lyme disease symptoms. Individuals with undiagnosed CVID or other immune deficiencies may test falsely negative on the ELISA and Western blot due to low immunoglobulin levels and may develop severe illness from the borrelia infection when denied appropriate treatment due to lack of a positive blood test.

Mualla McManus, Ann Cincotta, Effects of Borrelia on host immune system: Possible consequences for diagnostics, Advances in Integrative Medicine, Available online 12 January 2015, ISSN 2212-9588,

“The immune status of the borreliosis patient needs to be considered, especially in Stage 3 in conjunction with clinical symptoms in the diagnosis. Borrelia has the ability to manipulate both the innate and active immunity and alter the cytokines secreted hence alter the path of the immune response. Immune parameters such as IFN-gamma/IL-10, lymphocyte markers, complement C3a, C4a, and total immunoglobulin levels may help to discriminate between stages and monitor treatment outcomes. The level of immune dysfunction in Stage 3 may depend on the number of co-infections delivered by a tick bite, such as Babesia, and Rickettsia, the genospecies of Borrelia, other pathogens, the patients’ biome and immunogenetics.”

Dr. Raj Patel, M.D.
"Treating Lyme Disease it's Much More Than Killing the Bugs Three Essential Keys to Your Recovery"
Explore! Volume 19, Number 2, 2010 ... rticle.pdf

“In my medical practice, I have found approximately 30% of my chronic LD patients have depressed IgG or IgM levels. It is unclear whether Borrelia directly or the concurrent viral infections (like EBV and HHV-6) commonly found in chronic LD is the cause of this deficiency.”

2) Lyme disease in an immunosuppressive and immunomodulating disease

Evidence for the immunosuppressive and immunomodulating effects can be found in the work by CJ Hastey and N Baumgarth at Center for Comparative Medicine, University of California, Davis:

Delays and diversions mark the development of B cell responses to Borrelia burgdorferi infection.
Hastey CJ, Elsner RA, Barthold SW, Baumgarth N.
J Immunol. 2012 Jun 1;188(11):5612-22. doi: 10.4049/jimmunol.1103735. Epub 2012 Apr 30.
PMID: 22547698

“The data thereby suggest that B. burgdorferi might interfere with the processes underlying efficient class-switch recombination of B cells.”

CD4+ T cells promote antibody production but not sustained affinity maturation during Borrelia burgdorferi infection.
Elsner RA, Hastey CJ, Baumgarth N.
Infect Immun. 2015 Jan;83(1):48-56. doi: 10.1128/IAI.02471-14. Epub 2014 Oct 13.
PMID: 25312948

MyD88- and TRIF-independent induction of type I interferon drives naive B cell accumulation but not loss of lymph node architecture in Lyme disease.
Hastey CJ, Ochoa J, Olsen KJ, Barthold SW, Baumgarth N.
Infect Immun. 2014 Apr;82(4):1548-58. doi: 10.1128/IAI.00969-13. Epub 2014 Jan 22.
PMID: 24452685

Lymphoadenopathy during lyme borreliosis is caused by spirochete migration-induced specific B cell activation.
Tunev SS, Hastey CJ, Hodzic E, Feng S, Barthold SW, Baumgarth N.
PLoS Pathog. 2011 May;7(5):e1002066. doi: 10.1371/journal.ppat.1002066. Epub 2011 May 26.
PMID: 21637808

Then the rest was about the conflicts of interest and fake patient representative.
Half of what you are taught is incorrect, but which half? What if there's another half missing?

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Re: Breaking News- Public Comments open on New IDSA Guidline

Post by duncan » Thu 9 Apr 2015 12:15

You bring out important issues in this, CL19. Hopefully, our friends at the IDSA will take note and maybe we can see your influence on parts of the narrative.

I hope the IDSA will read through ALL the submissions, earnestly and without bias, and act responsibly on the comments and recommendations. (There. I said it without any snickering or ironic emoticons.)

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